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<blockquote data-quote="Ancalagon" data-source="post: 8081141" data-attributes="member: 23">I'm going to be pretty critical here, but I did want to thank you for the very detailed response <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />&nbsp;&nbsp; It's particularly appreciated because of your experienceIf you are an elf/half elf, that's a two feat combo... so level 8 minimum (and no boosts to your charisma)... I don't know.I treat EB as a good cantrip to have to be able to attack at ranged when forced to (like the barbarian carrying a few javelins basically).&nbsp;&nbsp; It really annoys&nbsp; me that perhaps the best way to play hexblade is to not fight in melee and rely on EB+AB spam.&nbsp; That's cheesy and against the &quot;spirit&quot; of the class, but you need a dip in another class to be able to do fight in melee well (without using magic).I would note that there is an opportunity cost - the invocation you use for AB could be used to boost your fighting or give yourself versatility.I agree that Hex isn't so great (bonus action needs, concentration in melee).&nbsp; As far as Tier 3 ans spamming EB, see above.&nbsp;&nbsp; I will also note that at level 11 and above, having 3 slots instead of 2 reaaaaly helps. &nbsp;A magic-less single class hexblade is pretty 2nd rate in combat.&nbsp; (multi-class reaaaly helps here).A single class hexblade at mid level has enough spell known to do all this... but they don't have the slots.&nbsp; You spend one slot on either armor of agathys or shadow of moil (having both is pretty bad-ass but then you have no more spells) and then you have one more slot.&nbsp; If you AoE or control, you can't counterspell or have mobility.&nbsp; If you use your mobility spell you can't counterspell etc etc. (see above comment about level 11 and above)It's a shame that you can't&nbsp; easily use your spells for versatility outside of combat - you certainly can know enough spells to have a few spares... &nbsp;Yeah....</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ancalagon, post: 8081141, member: 23"] I'm going to be pretty critical here, but I did want to thank you for the very detailed response :) It's particularly appreciated because of your experience If you are an elf/half elf, that's a two feat combo... so level 8 minimum (and no boosts to your charisma)... I don't know. I treat EB as a good cantrip to have to be able to attack at ranged when forced to (like the barbarian carrying a few javelins basically). It [I]really[/I] annoys me that perhaps the best way to play hexblade is to [I]not[/I] fight in melee and rely on EB+AB spam. That's cheesy and against the "spirit" of the class, but you need a dip in another class to be able to do fight in melee well (without using magic). I would note that there is an opportunity cost - the invocation you use for AB could be used to boost your fighting or give yourself versatility. I agree that Hex isn't so great (bonus action needs, concentration in melee). As far as Tier 3 ans spamming EB, see above. I will also note that at level 11 and above, having [I]3[/I] slots instead of 2 reaaaaly helps. A magic-less single class hexblade is pretty 2nd rate in combat. (multi-class [I]reaaaly[/I] helps here). A single class hexblade at mid level has enough spell known to do all this... [I]but they don't have the slots[/I]. You spend one slot on either armor of agathys or shadow of moil (having both is pretty bad-ass but then you have no more spells) and then you have [I]one[/I] more slot. If you AoE or control, you can't counterspell or have mobility. If you use your mobility spell you can't counterspell etc etc. (see above comment about level 11 and above) It's a shame that you can't easily use your spells for versatility outside of combat - you certainly can know enough spells to have a few spares... Yeah.... [/QUOTE]

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