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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ClaytonCross" data-source="post: 8083624" data-attributes="member: 6880599">So you don't do a session Zero with your group and you don't ask to fill a role in the party so that you don't step on others fun? I don't need my warlock to be as good as something else so much as comparing my build to other things is a form of measurement. I find tables and parties have minimum expectations based on party roles, assigned or naturally evolving.Not sure if that is what you mean but I have tried naturally evolving roles. The result was we had 3 scouts in a 4 man party tripping all over each other always pissed that someone was trying to do "there job" the other party member was a paladin and we had a charisma heavy group and everyone thought they were the front man. It was a disaster, so two of us re-rolled. One as ranged damage and the other as crowd control.Don't get me wrong, If you can just show up with any character not capable of anything specific and your whole party manages to magically not step on each others toes, That is great for you.I find the table I have played at had more fun, when we deliberately separate party roles. We came up with 6 combat roles and 6 non-combat roles. Each player claims one of each, usually in a group of 4 so we never fill all the roles. If your character dies you pick from the combination of open roles including those open by other players that died at the same time. Since we started doing this we have fewer player problems and more fun. The perhaps down side of this from your view is that you character was "hired" into the party based on their skill set filling a role. You can always re-roll to any empty job or trade with filled one if the other player agrees, but it means when that job is needed every looks to you and in game as characters if your not filling your position you might get crap. In part because if the party wipes they player lose their characters too. This leads to wanting a minimum proficiency with chosen party job before filling features. No one complains about this at our table because they all feel important to the team, they all get their moments, they are all free to delver it with any build they think will work, and no one gets stepped on.</blockquote>

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