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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ClaytonCross" data-source="post: 8084024" data-attributes="member: 6880599">I actually think a War priests, collage of swords, blade singer, and battlesmith artificers are significantly more capable. While I agree they might not be keeping up with fighter, paladin, barbarians with damage and "defense" (in quotes because barbarians don't defend the just take it and keep going). They deliver some defense and offense backed in and enough spell flexibility to cover the rest and have some fun choices.- War priest gets heavy armor, martial weapons , Devine favor, shield of faith, two spell slots, and war priest which makes them one the highest defense or highest damage subclasses as level 1. By level 5 with Spirit guardians, spiritual weapon, and 9 spell slots they can have better defense and better damage out put than most classes. Forge Clerics are about the same but the lean into defense a bit more and damage a bit less.Human Variant War Cleric STR 10, DEX 16, CON 16, WIZ 14, INT8, CHA8 HP:11 (Max will for War Priest)---HP11---Human Variant Feat: Medium Armor Master - Scale mail AC14(Max3) and shield= AC19---Rapier (1d8 + dex)---War Priest Bonus Action (1d8 + 3)(1d8 + 3)---War Domain 1st level Spell: divine favor +1d4 (1d8 + 3 + 1d4)(1d8 + 3 + 1d4)DPR Range 10 - 30DPR Average: 20Adjusted DPR with +5 to hit vs AC15 (55%) = 11 adjusted DPR- Collage of swards medium armor and scimitar proficiency means they can duel wield while using it as as spell casting focus. The get fighting styles, flourishes and extra attack by level 6. They also get 10 spell slots by that level which can be used efficiently for cure wounds, bane, Fearie fire, Heroism, blindness deafness, hold person, invisibility, shatter, ...I could go on but realize there is no need to beat a dead horse on top of that Wizards agrees and created a fix for pact of the blades which might already be coming out in a few month's in Tasha's Caldron of everything.This does not have a strength requirement for plate armor. Hexblades don't have a strength or dex requirement for their weapons to include two handed pact weapons. So you might have an AC16-20 pact of the Blade swinging a great sword pact weapon only using one invocation, with only constitution and charisma requirements. This means they can play with a third stat and/or relax survivability spells/invocations for equivalent fun as most other "gish" options.I am not opposed to it. It is basically another flavor option for eldritch knight. Could be interesting. I still might play warlocks because with Eldritch Armor it will be as flexible as other warlock builds. I only want the "gish" part to hold its own, I play warlocks for the other fun parts.</blockquote>

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