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<blockquote data-quote="Sword of Spirit" data-source="post: 8084682" data-attributes="member: 6677017">You’re right, it is (intentionally) a different play experience. While I think the warlock’s invocations allowing a variety of at-will utility spells make up for the wizard‘s other advantages in terms of overall ”spellcastingness”, I agree that the wizard does have the sort of overall play advantages you’re talking about. If they didn’t, it wouldn’t be fair for warlocks to have their other little perks like bigger HD. My point is just that it isn’t really accurate to say they aren’t a valid full-caster.That definitely would be unfair, but if you look closer you’ll note that’s not actually what I did. I included their pact boon, of which no other class has an equivalent, so it must be considered part of the base class, but not their patron, which is their standard subclass. Warlock patrons are just as stromg as wizard arcane traditions, so I figured it was a fair omission.They both have levels where they are on top, but I’m not really seeing the discrepancy you‘re mentioning. However, if that were the case, I think it would be balanced by the access to at-will spells from invocations being more useful at lower levels due to the lower number of spell slots both classes can bring to bear.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Sword of Spirit, post: 8084682, member: 6677017"] You’re right, it is (intentionally) a different play experience. While I think the warlock’s invocations allowing a variety of at-will utility spells make up for the wizard‘s other advantages in terms of overall ”spellcastingness”, I agree that the wizard does have the sort of overall play advantages you’re talking about. If they didn’t, it wouldn’t be fair for warlocks to have their other little perks like bigger HD. My point is just that it isn’t really accurate to say they aren’t a valid full-caster. That definitely would be unfair, but if you look closer you’ll note that’s not actually what I did. I included their pact boon, of which no other class has an equivalent, so it must be considered part of the base class, but not their patron, which is their standard subclass. Warlock patrons are just as stromg as wizard arcane traditions, so I figured it was a fair omission. They both have levels where they are on top, but I’m not really seeing the discrepancy you‘re mentioning. However, if that were the case, I think it would be balanced by the access to at-will spells from invocations being more useful at lower levels due to the lower number of spell slots both classes can bring to bear. [/QUOTE]

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