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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Graf" data-source="post: 796454" data-attributes="member: 3087">The flavor classes are pretty clearly, a good idea for those who want them.[If you really don't like the idea then don't use it. Long posts from people insisting that people should stop working on a given idea because they don't like it always confuse me. Comments aside a lot of this stuff can't been done with feats easily -- the abilties are too powerful to really function as feats, you need to give soemthing up from the class to maintain balance.]I also don't think that limiting the bab&saves to a total of +2 is such a hot idea. I thought the gladiator was perfectly balanced, as was (except for the number of skills). I don't think that every class needs to have lots of Bab&saves either though (something re-enforced by the Survivor class in Savage Species).Re: the court mage.... obviously it's your class and if you really love the power that's fine.... I was under the impression that the class was supposed to be a common figure. I have trouble imagining a court mage who runs around trying to magically control their leige (once a week, with a single use of a 3rd level spell) being terribly common. While the evil-wizard-controling-the-king is a common trope in a real fantasy world I expect that every court mage would be doing it.A bonus on sense motive, dipolmacy and bluff related to courtly matters seems more in line, useful, and balanced to me. And it would enable good or lawful characters to easily take it.One comment about the arcane casters and balance... compare it with a Sorcerer, not a wizard, especially since there are no prequistes.Ex: You can be come a loremaster several levels earlier as a wizard than as a Sorc, if you choose the right bonus feats. So while the wizard gives up more when they become a loremaster it's balanced out because they've used less core class levels to get those abilities.This isn't true of these sorts of classes though, because they lack mechanical prequistes. Except for spellcasting powers sorcerers get very little for advancing in there class (familiar improvements really), so they make a better baseline for checking balance.</blockquote>

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