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<blockquote data-quote="shilsen" data-source="post: 3927861" data-attributes="member: 198"><p>I was on Eric's boards when 3e was still in the pipeline and your speculation sounds bang-on to me. There was a huge amount of "this sounds interesting but what does it mean?" going on, and a lot of it didn't fit together into a coherent picture until the books were in our hands.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Conceptually - yes, I did. But one really had to get the books before it became completely clear. And even then, as people have posted on other threads, so many of the immediate assumptions that were made with the books in hand ("OMFG! Monks are the msot powerful class!") turned out to be dead wrong. </p><p></p><p>A lot of the stuff going on here on the 4e boards and elsewhere is amusing for me because I think I'm about as far away from the sense of entitlement that Umbran mentioned as it's possible to get. When I buy a book from WotC, I figure all they owe me is the book I paid for. Product support, all the stuff they put on their site, keeping the particular product line going - that's all a bonus to me. So when it comes to 4e and the previews and anything else they put out about it, I see that as a freebie. If they announced 4e and didn't put out a single piece of additional information about it till the books came out, it wouldn't bother me in the least, since I don't think they owe me that information. It makes sense for them to put it out, of course, just like it makes sense to advertise a product, but am I going to get bent out of shape and think I have a right to it because I've spent hundreds of dollars on earlier books or because I play D&D? Hell, no!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="shilsen, post: 3927861, member: 198"] I was on Eric's boards when 3e was still in the pipeline and your speculation sounds bang-on to me. There was a huge amount of "this sounds interesting but what does it mean?" going on, and a lot of it didn't fit together into a coherent picture until the books were in our hands. Conceptually - yes, I did. But one really had to get the books before it became completely clear. And even then, as people have posted on other threads, so many of the immediate assumptions that were made with the books in hand ("OMFG! Monks are the msot powerful class!") turned out to be dead wrong. A lot of the stuff going on here on the 4e boards and elsewhere is amusing for me because I think I'm about as far away from the sense of entitlement that Umbran mentioned as it's possible to get. When I buy a book from WotC, I figure all they owe me is the book I paid for. Product support, all the stuff they put on their site, keeping the particular product line going - that's all a bonus to me. So when it comes to 4e and the previews and anything else they put out about it, I see that as a freebie. If they announced 4e and didn't put out a single piece of additional information about it till the books came out, it wouldn't bother me in the least, since I don't think they owe me that information. It makes sense for them to put it out, of course, just like it makes sense to advertise a product, but am I going to get bent out of shape and think I have a right to it because I've spent hundreds of dollars on earlier books or because I play D&D? Hell, no! [/QUOTE]
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