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<blockquote data-quote="Yaarel" data-source="post: 9241692" data-attributes="member: 58172"><p>When 2024 rules disentangle Strength Athletics from Strength Weightlifting, it will be far easier to utilize and describe one without the other. Thus there can be a low Strength Athletics "lumbering Giant" versus a high Strength Athletics "pouncing Panther", even a high Strength Athletics Rabbit.</p><p></p><p>Meanwhile Size and Weightlifting skill quantify brute force separately.</p><p></p><p>Then a "gritty" genre variant in the DMs Guide can detail some ways to keep Small "small".</p><p></p><p></p><p>I did the math.</p><p></p><p>According to D&D 5e Monster Manual, a Frost Giant is about 21 feet tall, and has humanlike proportions. Therefore:</p><p></p><p>• Frost Giant with Swimmers Build weighs around: 7,187 pounds</p><p></p><p>• Frost Giant with Bodybuilder Build weighs around: 9,261 pounds</p><p></p><p>If this Giant tries to kick thru a door, there are many tons of force. Unless the smaller creatures are using magic, there is no resisting this force. Of course, the door itself might be structurally reinforced, but then the smaller creatures wont be adding much to its resistance.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Because height is a linear length and weight is a cubic volume, when two creatures have the same body proportions, the one that is twice the size is eight-times the weight.</p><p></p><p>So, a 3-foot Halfling has about an eighth of the body mass of a 6-foot Human.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I basically agree.</p><p></p><p>My contention is, what you characterize as "unrealistic" fantastical exaggeration, is what I characterize as by definition "magic".</p><p></p><p>But it is innate magic − not the kind of magic that is manipulated by formulaic words. In other words, the power source is psionic or primal, rather than arcane or divine.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Re Superman as defacto magic. Even if a "sufficiently advanced" technology, it is still a D&D magic power source.</p><p></p><p>Notably, nothing about Superman feels like the arcane power source or the divine power source. Superman might be the psionic power source, like his son is. To me Superman feels like the primal power source. He is a manifestation of the four elements: fiery laser beam eyes, watery icy breath, airy flight, and earthy "man of steel". Thus, like other nature beings, he is an innate caster of the primal power source who wills his elemental manifestation into existence.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Yaarel, post: 9241692, member: 58172"] When 2024 rules disentangle Strength Athletics from Strength Weightlifting, it will be far easier to utilize and describe one without the other. Thus there can be a low Strength Athletics "lumbering Giant" versus a high Strength Athletics "pouncing Panther", even a high Strength Athletics Rabbit. Meanwhile Size and Weightlifting skill quantify brute force separately. Then a "gritty" genre variant in the DMs Guide can detail some ways to keep Small "small". I did the math. According to D&D 5e Monster Manual, a Frost Giant is about 21 feet tall, and has humanlike proportions. Therefore: • Frost Giant with Swimmers Build weighs around: 7,187 pounds • Frost Giant with Bodybuilder Build weighs around: 9,261 pounds If this Giant tries to kick thru a door, there are many tons of force. Unless the smaller creatures are using magic, there is no resisting this force. Of course, the door itself might be structurally reinforced, but then the smaller creatures wont be adding much to its resistance. Because height is a linear length and weight is a cubic volume, when two creatures have the same body proportions, the one that is twice the size is eight-times the weight. So, a 3-foot Halfling has about an eighth of the body mass of a 6-foot Human. I basically agree. My contention is, what you characterize as "unrealistic" fantastical exaggeration, is what I characterize as by definition "magic". But it is innate magic − not the kind of magic that is manipulated by formulaic words. In other words, the power source is psionic or primal, rather than arcane or divine. Re Superman as defacto magic. Even if a "sufficiently advanced" technology, it is still a D&D magic power source. Notably, nothing about Superman feels like the arcane power source or the divine power source. Superman might be the psionic power source, like his son is. To me Superman feels like the primal power source. He is a manifestation of the four elements: fiery laser beam eyes, watery icy breath, airy flight, and earthy "man of steel". Thus, like other nature beings, he is an innate caster of the primal power source who wills his elemental manifestation into existence. [/QUOTE]
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