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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 7261545" data-attributes="member: 4937">Yes, it would.&nbsp; But, the monster/conversion construction guidelines were supposed to prevent that from ever happening.&nbsp;&nbsp; In theory, dropping a size class meant that on average your STR and CON took a -4 penalty, and your DEX went up only +2.&nbsp; So virtually anything below Tiny size should have STR and CON near 1 or it would be incorrectly designed.&nbsp;&nbsp; But yes, in theory you could create fine sized creatures with high STR and high CON and they would in fact be totally broken because per the RAW, being small is almost entirely a positive thing with few drawbacks.With that in mind, it's important to note that the RAW twisted the rules to make Halflings and Gnomes play much more like medium creatures.&nbsp; Small size is a tremendous advantage and yet the small sized PC's pay almost nothing for it.&nbsp; Halflings only get a -2 penalty to strength and no penalty to CON.&nbsp;&nbsp; Moreover, the rules give Small sized creatures the same reach as medium sized creatures (made worse by the weapon size changes of 3.5e), so you don't even pay the reach penalty.&nbsp;&nbsp; So yeah, if you were building a race with point buy, 'Small' would be a power gamers choice.Bonus to hit.Bonus to AC.+4 Bonus to Hide per category below medium.-4 Bonus to Grapple checks per category below medium, the only penalty that is enforced by the rules themselves for being small.In theory, reduced movement rate.&nbsp; Smaller creatures are supposed to be slower.&nbsp; However, like the theory that small creatures should be made with less CON and STR, this suggestion is observed mainly in the breach.&nbsp; By the rules, about the only thing you can do to a small creature is grapple, pin, and squash it.&nbsp; This can be prevented with sufficient Escape Artist skill.My house rules make being small much more problematic, because in addition to the above, your size gives you a bonus to hit points and sets the minimum hit points at which you die.&nbsp;&nbsp; A small sized creature generally has 5 less hit points than a medium sized creature, and all small PC races have penalties on CON as well - lining them up with the suggested monster creation rules.&nbsp;&nbsp; A fine sized creature might be hard to hit, but it's squishable.&nbsp; There simply are no high hit points or high strength fine sized creatures in my game.Indeed, in line with stories like 'Puss and Boots', it's even dangerous to shapechange into a fine sized creature, because the bonus hit points for size category change with you.&nbsp; Under my rules, the large sized ogre lost effectively 24 hit points when tricked into changing into a mouse.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 7261545, member: 4937"] Yes, it would. But, the monster/conversion construction guidelines were supposed to prevent that from ever happening. In theory, dropping a size class meant that on average your STR and CON took a -4 penalty, and your DEX went up only +2. So virtually anything below Tiny size should have STR and CON near 1 or it would be incorrectly designed. But yes, in theory you could create fine sized creatures with high STR and high CON and they would in fact be totally broken because per the RAW, being small is almost entirely a positive thing with few drawbacks. With that in mind, it's important to note that the RAW twisted the rules to make Halflings and Gnomes play much more like medium creatures. Small size is a tremendous advantage and yet the small sized PC's pay almost nothing for it. Halflings only get a -2 penalty to strength and no penalty to CON. Moreover, the rules give Small sized creatures the same reach as medium sized creatures (made worse by the weapon size changes of 3.5e), so you don't even pay the reach penalty. So yeah, if you were building a race with point buy, 'Small' would be a power gamers choice. Bonus to hit. Bonus to AC. +4 Bonus to Hide per category below medium. -4 Bonus to Grapple checks per category below medium, the only penalty that is enforced by the rules themselves for being small. In theory, reduced movement rate. Smaller creatures are supposed to be slower. However, like the theory that small creatures should be made with less CON and STR, this suggestion is observed mainly in the breach. By the rules, about the only thing you can do to a small creature is grapple, pin, and squash it. This can be prevented with sufficient Escape Artist skill. My house rules make being small much more problematic, because in addition to the above, your size gives you a bonus to hit points and sets the minimum hit points at which you die. A small sized creature generally has 5 less hit points than a medium sized creature, and all small PC races have penalties on CON as well - lining them up with the suggested monster creation rules. A fine sized creature might be hard to hit, but it's squishable. There simply are no high hit points or high strength fine sized creatures in my game. Indeed, in line with stories like 'Puss and Boots', it's even dangerous to shapechange into a fine sized creature, because the bonus hit points for size category change with you. Under my rules, the large sized ogre lost effectively 24 hit points when tricked into changing into a mouse. [/QUOTE]

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