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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Keenath" data-source="post: 4516630" data-attributes="member: 59792">It's been mentioned a few times by the devs that skill challenges were written up originally to be a vague set of guidelines with the suggestion, "Hey, DM -- consider requiring a lot of successes before the PCs win with skills, and allow everyone to participate with different skills and abilities!"  It wasn't really meant to be a subsystem the way combat is.In my experience, challenges work best with three modifications:1) Don't be real strict and by-the-book.  Just go with what seems more fun.2) Allow partial success.  If the party fails only 1 skill check short, give them success with a complication, or partial credit.  If they fall short by several checks, give them a minor bonus or clue but not what they would've gotten with success.  If they just totally flub the test, they get nothing.3) Stalker0 posted some DCs a while back that were designed such that a moderately talented character would succeed a medium DC about 75% of the time, while an untrained guy with abilities has that chance on easy checks and about 50% on medium, and a real focused expert type can make mediums reliably and hard with some degree of surety.  An untrained, off-attribute check will, of course, almost always fail.I'll see if I can find the DC chart he posted.</blockquote>