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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mesh Hong" data-source="post: 5185736" data-attributes="member: 73463">I am sorry but I don't quite believe what I have just read.  If the players have inadequate role-playing skills they will fail automatically even of they have successfully rolled over the DC number. I am trying to put into words how wrong I think that statement is but I find myself dumbstruck by it's arrogance. Skill checks exist as a way of determining what a character is and isn't capable of. If a Character wants to jump a 10ft gap the Player makes the appropriate athletics check, you don't ask them to actually do it in real life in order to succeed. That is what the skill check is for - it separates the Player from the Character. Just because a player cannot do something doesn't mean that their character can't. In social situations this means that as a competent DM you listen to what the Player says, ask for a roll, then make a quick mental adjustment to the intent of what the Player said in the context of the situation. It is possible for a Character to be a skilled diplomat when the Player isn't, it's tricky (for the DM) but you cannot penalise someone for not sharing the abilities of their Character. Also if someone hasn't got the required "role-playing skills" automatically failing them when they try their best isn't going to help the situation. Its going to make them less inclined to try "role-playing" in the future. Is that really what you want? Sorry for the rant, but that statement is the most offensive thing I have seen on these forums.</blockquote>

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