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<blockquote data-quote="Saeviomagy" data-source="post: 4891801" data-attributes="member: 5890">...That doesn't change anything at all: if a character doesn't have good social skills (or whatever skills are acceptable for the challenge), the party would still stand a better chance of success if he weren't there. Each time his turn comes up, he has to sit there and know that it's his useless hide that is breaking this for his group.In fact, by explicitly having endurance checks called for, you're reducing the the possibility that a player can say &quot;It's real hot in here, right? Well, my character can use&nbsp; his endurance skill to show the dragon that he can tough it out!&quot;. Even if you as a DM would accept it, a lot of players will feel that they're double-dipping.Now, if instead of the original 3 strikes and the party is out, the challenge continued until X successes OR someone passed out from the heat, that would be different. Participation can no longer WORSEN the scenario, only improve it. Even if a player is reduced to praying for a long shot, only good can come from him or her rolling.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Saeviomagy, post: 4891801, member: 5890"] ... That doesn't change anything at all: if a character doesn't have good social skills (or whatever skills are acceptable for the challenge), the party would still stand a better chance of success if he weren't there. Each time his turn comes up, he has to sit there and know that it's his useless hide that is breaking this for his group. In fact, by explicitly having endurance checks called for, you're reducing the the possibility that a player can say "It's real hot in here, right? Well, my character can use his endurance skill to show the dragon that he can tough it out!". Even if you as a DM would accept it, a lot of players will feel that they're double-dipping. Now, if instead of the original 3 strikes and the party is out, the challenge continued until X successes OR someone passed out from the heat, that would be different. Participation can no longer WORSEN the scenario, only improve it. Even if a player is reduced to praying for a long shot, only good can come from him or her rolling. [/QUOTE]

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