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<blockquote data-quote="Cryptos" data-source="post: 4485292" data-attributes="member: 58439">Well, the most obvious penalty for failure would be that they don't get the benefits of an extended rest.&nbsp; The spooks move things around, make noises, and bang things together, or cause nightmares to the extent where the PCs don't get a rest.In terms of the actual challenge, I don't like the &quot;official&quot; way that skill challenges are done.&nbsp; I like the threshold of successes and failures, but I don't like having each challenge have a narrow set of skills with a narrower set of explanations of how those skills will be used.&nbsp; It feels like skill-based railroading to me.I think it's more interesting to present a challenge, and then have the PCs decide which skills they are going to use, and explain how those will work toward accomplishing the goal. I don't like saying &quot;here are the four skills you have to use&quot; and then when the PC uses them you tell them what they did with those four skills.&nbsp; It reduces the skill challenge to pure dice-rolling with predetermined outcomes.I'd rather see players say, &quot;I'm going to use dungeoneering because I think that I can (explanation follows)....&quot; than see them say, &quot;Ok, my diplomacy is high, so out of the four possible actions I can take I'll choose the 'convince the ghost to leave us alone' option.&quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Cryptos, post: 4485292, member: 58439"] Well, the most obvious penalty for failure would be that they don't get the benefits of an extended rest. The spooks move things around, make noises, and bang things together, or cause nightmares to the extent where the PCs don't get a rest. In terms of the actual challenge, I don't like the "official" way that skill challenges are done. I like the threshold of successes and failures, but I don't like having each challenge have a narrow set of skills with a narrower set of explanations of how those skills will be used. It feels like skill-based railroading to me. I think it's more interesting to present a challenge, and then have the PCs decide which skills they are going to use, and explain how those will work toward accomplishing the goal. I don't like saying "here are the four skills you have to use" and then when the PC uses them you tell them what they did with those four skills. It reduces the skill challenge to pure dice-rolling with predetermined outcomes. I'd rather see players say, "I'm going to use dungeoneering because I think that I can (explanation follows)...." than see them say, "Ok, my diplomacy is high, so out of the four possible actions I can take I'll choose the 'convince the ghost to leave us alone' option." [/QUOTE]

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