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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 8728709" data-attributes="member: 67338">I wish 5e took the skill challenge and worked on it. 10 years later I am betting we would have much better ideas for them...I also like to think of them as different (where X success before Y failures can work) some I have tried is "everyone is in a situation and has to do something... but you can help each other, but you are all in like your own X before Y" and "There is no failing unless you give up but each failure costs time and resources" and extended ones where "You need a huge number of success but each time you hit Y failures you can't try again until you take a long rest"</blockquote>