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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 8734310" data-attributes="member: 82106">Yeah, I think WRT the comments that [USER=6987520]@DND_Reborn[/USER] made, it is like with most of the approaches that are common to narrative play, you can achieve them purely by dint of playing most any RPG with careful attention to that. Many games will, however, work against you in some sense. Something like the 4e SC system is a pretty solid mechanical structure intended to bring about this 'bounded' characteristic of a 'scene'. It lets the GM focus on the fiction and how it evolves as opposed to worrying overmuch about what outcome to decide, or when things are decided. Its interesting that many people ask for things like 'social combat' systems, but then when they get one, and the 4e SC pretty much fits the bill, its described as confining or trivial in effect. Certainly you could come up with different mechanics for such a thing, like opposed clocks and have the GM make checks for the 'opposition', but we found in the end all the alternatives we tried weren't measurably better, and were usually a bunch more complicated and often didn't quite fit well with the fiction in some cases. Its true that you can, now and then, find yourself tied in a knot over how to proceed with an SC, but following the structure is still the easier path, IMHO.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 8734310, member: 82106"] Yeah, I think WRT the comments that [USER=6987520]@DND_Reborn[/USER] made, it is like with most of the approaches that are common to narrative play, you can achieve them purely by dint of playing most any RPG with careful attention to that. Many games will, however, work against you in some sense. Something like the 4e SC system is a pretty solid mechanical structure intended to bring about this 'bounded' characteristic of a 'scene'. It lets the GM focus on the fiction and how it evolves as opposed to worrying overmuch about what outcome to decide, or when things are decided. Its interesting that many people ask for things like 'social combat' systems, but then when they get one, and the 4e SC pretty much fits the bill, its described as confining or trivial in effect. Certainly you could come up with different mechanics for such a thing, like opposed clocks and have the GM make checks for the 'opposition', but we found in the end all the alternatives we tried weren't measurably better, and were usually a bunch more complicated and often didn't quite fit well with the fiction in some cases. Its true that you can, now and then, find yourself tied in a knot over how to proceed with an SC, but following the structure is still the easier path, IMHO. [/QUOTE]

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