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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Manbearcat" data-source="post: 8743074" data-attributes="member: 6696971">Sure.User error is common in TTRPGing.  Being quite deft at both the GMing role and the player role of any given game is a difficult thing.  Its a skill to be earned via thoughtfulness, comprehension of principles/techniques/engine interactions and best practices, humility, and disciplined practice.That is a good thing!What isn't a good thing is what I see happen in a lot of Skill Challenge threads (historically).  Refrains whereby people are basically committed to a decade + long effort of casting this sort of resolution and this particular game, 4e D&D, in as negative a light as possible and doing ZERO inventory of their own role in the problems their having):<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Fail Forward doesn't work!</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The fiction doesn't change after resolution!</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The fiction is meaningless!</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The fiction is too meaningful and there is no actual "game" there!</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The math is broken so the system doesn't work!</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">This is an exercise in useless dice rolling and free form roleplay!</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">You can't use Powers or Rituals in Skill Challenges!  They're totally prescriptive railroads!</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The fiction of 4e is nonsensical!</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Intent/Goal-based consequences of action resolution equals meaningless, nonsensical, agencyless play!</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Fire doesn't cause ignition of flammable materials (and dozens of other wrong ideas about keywords and "Target - Creature")!</li> </ul>I could go on and on and on with these sorts of things.The reality is, there was...and remains...a very large contingent of anti-4e sentiment by a particular (and particularly raucous and in your face...here and in real life) group of D&D players who have died on every hill...at every opportunity...for 14 years...overwhelmingly wrongly...who will never course-correct their wrongness and put it on the record because inevitably they're going to trot out the same nonsense 2 years later at first opportunity.</blockquote>

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