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<blockquote data-quote="Manbearcat" data-source="post: 8743135" data-attributes="member: 6696971">Just for funsies, I've grabbed the PCs from the last 1-30 game I GMed.&nbsp; I have just stray copies of them at various levels (I have the Rogue at 12, the Bladesinger at 20 and 30, then the Druid at 30 only).Here is what a level 20 Bladesinger can bring to bear against an Epic Tier Skill Challenge.&nbsp; My Skill Challenges would run &quot;of level&quot; (normal), level +1 (hard), level +2 (very hard).&nbsp; Here are the DCs for those:Level Easy Medium Hard20&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 18&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 25&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 3421&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 19&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 26&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 3522&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 20&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 27&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 36The overwhelming % of DCs will be Medium with 0, 1, or 2 DCs hitting Hard depending upon Complexity (I rarely used Complexity above 3, but I did in some cases).[ATTACH=full]258658[/ATTACH]That is a significant ability to hit the Medium DC for a very wide swath of obstacles.&nbsp; Then you have to consider the following resource suites they could call upon to broaden/amplify their Skill Challenge capability:* Mage Hand (AW) where minor, ranged legerdemain could aid against a challenge granting a +2 bonus* Flowing Evasion (E) for movement-based challenges where pursuit/acrobatics/grace/slipperiness are in play granting +2 bonus.* Mighty Sprint (E) +5 bonus to Athletics when speed and/or jumping are relevant to the obstacle.* Legend Lore (E) to sub History for Dungeoneering, Nature, Religion checks.* Spook (E) to sub Arcana for Intimidate.* Suggestion (E) to sub Arcana for Diplomacy.* Fey Step (E) for automatic 1 success when bridging a 25 ft gap is the obstacle (or to use as auto secondary skill buff +2 to help allies cross).* Philosopher's Crown (D) to reroll Arcana, Dungeoneering, History, Nature.* Endure Elements (R) for 1 auto success when exposure or severe conditions/phenomenon are an obstacle.* Pass Without Trace (R) for 1 auto success when leaving no trace of your trek through wilderness during a perilous journey is an obstacle.* Warded Campsite (R) for 1 auto success when you're camping in the wilderness (this also ensures no nested combats happen as a result of a consequence of such a situation).* Phantom Steed (R) for 1 or 2 auto success when travel over great distances is an obstacle for you and your allies.* A whole lot of Coin to grease palms, attain physical assets, or purchase the aid of Companion Characters/Cohorts for either auto-success in an SC or persistent bonsues/help for combat/SCs.[HR][/HR]That is what the capability of a PC entering Epic Tier looks like in terms of noncombat capability.&nbsp; Even though Hard DCs got progressively more difficult to accomplish, they weren't common, you're reliably hitting the Medium DC on a huge swath of obstacles inherent to your thematic archetypes, and you can marshal auto-success against a wide variety of obstacles (from Dailies, to Rituals, to using Coin for assets, hirelings, palm-greasing).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Manbearcat, post: 8743135, member: 6696971"] Just for funsies, I've grabbed the PCs from the last 1-30 game I GMed. I have just stray copies of them at various levels (I have the Rogue at 12, the Bladesinger at 20 and 30, then the Druid at 30 only). Here is what a level 20 Bladesinger can bring to bear against an Epic Tier Skill Challenge. My Skill Challenges would run "of level" (normal), level +1 (hard), level +2 (very hard). Here are the DCs for those: Level Easy Medium Hard 20 18 25 34 21 19 26 35 22 20 27 36 The overwhelming % of DCs will be Medium with 0, 1, or 2 DCs hitting Hard depending upon Complexity (I rarely used Complexity above 3, but I did in some cases). [ATTACH type="full"]258658[/ATTACH] That is a significant ability to hit the Medium DC for a very wide swath of obstacles. Then you have to consider the following resource suites they could call upon to broaden/amplify their Skill Challenge capability: * Mage Hand (AW) where minor, ranged legerdemain could aid against a challenge granting a +2 bonus * Flowing Evasion (E) for movement-based challenges where pursuit/acrobatics/grace/slipperiness are in play granting +2 bonus. * Mighty Sprint (E) +5 bonus to Athletics when speed and/or jumping are relevant to the obstacle. * Legend Lore (E) to sub History for Dungeoneering, Nature, Religion checks. * Spook (E) to sub Arcana for Intimidate. * Suggestion (E) to sub Arcana for Diplomacy. * Fey Step (E) for automatic 1 success when bridging a 25 ft gap is the obstacle (or to use as auto secondary skill buff +2 to help allies cross). * Philosopher's Crown (D) to reroll Arcana, Dungeoneering, History, Nature. * Endure Elements (R) for 1 auto success when exposure or severe conditions/phenomenon are an obstacle. * Pass Without Trace (R) for 1 auto success when leaving no trace of your trek through wilderness during a perilous journey is an obstacle. * Warded Campsite (R) for 1 auto success when you're camping in the wilderness (this also ensures no nested combats happen as a result of a consequence of such a situation). * Phantom Steed (R) for 1 or 2 auto success when travel over great distances is an obstacle for you and your allies. * A whole lot of Coin to grease palms, attain physical assets, or purchase the aid of Companion Characters/Cohorts for either auto-success in an SC or persistent bonsues/help for combat/SCs. [HR][/HR] That is what the capability of a PC entering Epic Tier looks like in terms of noncombat capability. Even though Hard DCs got progressively more difficult to accomplish, they weren't common, you're reliably hitting the Medium DC on a huge swath of obstacles inherent to your thematic archetypes, and you can marshal auto-success against a wide variety of obstacles (from Dailies, to Rituals, to using Coin for assets, hirelings, palm-greasing). [/QUOTE]

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