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<blockquote data-quote="LostSoul" data-source="post: 4167586" data-attributes="member: 386">I think it is a broken part of the game.&nbsp; Well, for me at least.In your example, the DM could be thinking, &quot;Thog tries to scare them?&nbsp; What the hell?&nbsp; They'll just run around like crazy.&nbsp; And he got a good result on his check, too.&nbsp; I guess they'll run away.&quot;&nbsp; So he says, &quot;Okay, the sheepdog barks helpfully, but Thog's roar scares them away and they are now spread all around the countryside.&quot;In a skill challenge, if success on the roll doesn't help, and failure doesn't hurt, you shouldn't be taking that action.&nbsp; I don't see why the DM won't say, &quot;Thog, my common sense tells me that roaring and scaring them will send the sheep all over the countryside.&nbsp; Doing that will be an auto-failure.&nbsp; You still want to do it?&quot;Or, if immersion is an important goal: &quot;As Thog breathes in, the sheep look panicked, like they're going to bolt in all different directions.&nbsp; The Ranger knows that only a few will go into the pen - and only if you're lucky.&quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="LostSoul, post: 4167586, member: 386"] I think it is a broken part of the game. Well, for me at least. In your example, the DM could be thinking, "Thog tries to [i]scare[/i] them? What the hell? They'll just run around like crazy. And he got a good result on his check, too. I guess they'll run away." So he says, "Okay, the sheepdog barks helpfully, but Thog's roar scares them away and they are now spread all around the countryside." In a skill challenge, if success on the roll doesn't help, and failure doesn't hurt, you shouldn't be taking that action. I don't see why the DM won't say, "Thog, my common sense tells me that roaring and scaring them will send the sheep all over the countryside. Doing that will be an auto-failure. You still want to do it?" Or, if immersion is an important goal: "As Thog breathes in, the sheep look panicked, like they're going to bolt in all different directions. The Ranger knows that only a few will go into the pen - and only if you're lucky." [/QUOTE]

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