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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 4172692" data-attributes="member: 42582">Except that the players have no authority to specify the consequences of a successful check. Under a skill challenge they do.What is your measure for &quot;better&quot;, if the sort of roleplaying that the mechanics support is irrelevant to you?You seem to be confusing &quot;roleplaying&quot; with &quot;talking&quot;, as if, therefore, there is no roleplaying aspect to combat. That is not the only notion of &quot;roleplaying&quot;, and probably not the most important one.Do you have any familiarity with RPGs such as HeroWars, The Dying Earth or other narrativist systems? Or even with games like RQ and RM, compared to D&amp;D. Rules have a huge impact on how player's describe their character's actions: for example, the combat rules in RQ tell a player whether or not they can describe their blow as a strike to the foe's head, but in D&amp;D they do not; and in HeroWars the player can narrate such matters as hit location in response to their success or failure in the skill contest (in some ways not unlike D&amp;D), whereas in RQ the dice dictate the narration.In short, mechanics have a huge impact on what can be narrrated.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 4172692, member: 42582"] Except that the players have no authority to specify the consequences of a successful check. Under a skill challenge they do. What is your measure for "better", if the sort of roleplaying that the mechanics support is irrelevant to you? You seem to be confusing "roleplaying" with "talking", as if, therefore, there is no roleplaying aspect to combat. That is not the only notion of "roleplaying", and probably not the most important one. Do you have any familiarity with RPGs such as HeroWars, The Dying Earth or other narrativist systems? Or even with games like RQ and RM, compared to D&D. Rules have a huge impact on how player's describe their character's actions: for example, the combat rules in RQ tell a player whether or not they can describe their blow as a strike to the foe's head, but in D&D they do not; and in HeroWars the player can narrate such matters as hit location in response to their success or failure in the skill contest (in some ways not unlike D&D), whereas in RQ the dice dictate the narration. In short, mechanics have a huge impact on what can be narrrated. [/QUOTE]

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