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<blockquote data-quote="two" data-source="post: 4283838" data-attributes="member: 9002">As others have said, the problems with skill challenges are many, as currently presented.&nbsp; Your comments are interesting but don't &quot;fix&quot; much.1)&nbsp; Extremely experienced gamers can't figure out what numbers should be used in a skill challenge, and what bonuses should be allowed.&nbsp; &nbsp; At the very least, this should be spelled out in detail.&nbsp; If the members of EnWorld can't get this stuff nailed down, how does WOTC expect the general gaming public to handle it?2)&nbsp; Your examples showing different ways to get bonuses on skill checks is very interesting, but how does it relate to, you know, an average party?&nbsp; At low or high level? How many PC's take utility powers like you have listed?&nbsp; And what levels are they accessible?It's not very convincing to argue that &quot;skill challenges are not tough if every PC in the party is optimized to overcome skill challenges.&quot;&nbsp;That is likely very true.&nbsp; But if that covers only 5% of &quot;normal&quot; PC parties... well, at least they should tell us that, and make suggestions for how to get skill challenges in-line with non min/maxxed skill parties.I'm not sure if Skill Challenges are &quot;fundamentally&quot; messed up.&nbsp; I suspect so.&nbsp; But I do know with 100% certainty that WOTC should have done a much better job presenting and explaining them, with 2-3 full examples.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="two, post: 4283838, member: 9002"] As others have said, the problems with skill challenges are many, as currently presented. Your comments are interesting but don't "fix" much. 1) Extremely experienced gamers can't figure out what numbers should be used in a skill challenge, and what bonuses should be allowed. At the very least, this should be spelled out in detail. If the members of EnWorld can't get this stuff nailed down, how does WOTC expect the general gaming public to handle it? 2) Your examples showing different ways to get bonuses on skill checks is very interesting, but how does it relate to, you know, an average party? At low or high level? How many PC's take utility powers like you have listed? And what levels are they accessible? It's not very convincing to argue that "skill challenges are not tough if every PC in the party is optimized to overcome skill challenges." That is likely very true. But if that covers only 5% of "normal" PC parties... well, at least they should tell us that, and make suggestions for how to get skill challenges in-line with non min/maxxed skill parties. I'm not sure if Skill Challenges are "fundamentally" messed up. I suspect so. But I do know with 100% certainty that WOTC should have done a much better job presenting and explaining them, with 2-3 full examples. [/QUOTE]

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