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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sadras" data-source="post: 6364918" data-attributes="member: 6688277">That's definitely the lower baseline but not the middle ground which is what we should be looking at to be fair.Like you have mentioned high ability scores, expertise dice and other character features also would play a roll, but what I think you might have forgotten is the action "Help" which provides advantage on the skill challenge (an extra d20 has definitely gotta come in handy <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />)I admit you cannot use the "Help" for all cases.<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">May I ask in 4e would you use a skill challenge of 7 success before 3 failures with 1-3 level characters? Just asking, and I don't have the books in front of me and it has been a while.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Also given that 4e promotes maximising abilities and 5e does not, perhaps the DC of 15 might be a little high initially for level 1-3 characters. In 5e levels 1-2 are really novice levels.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">+2 is really when there are no ability modifiers on the roll, given that someone would be proficient with the skill in order to get the +2 proficiency bonus, you'd imagine they would (some of the time) at least have a +1 modifier from their ability</li> </ul>Then there is the much debated about cantrip "Guidance" that's an additional +1d4 on skill checks. This again, has practical limitations, as it can't  be used in every skill challenge or for every check in a skill challenge.Your results definitely reflect the worst case scenario - the same exercise should be worked with modifiers, advantage and such and then perhaps average it out between worst results and great results to be fair.</blockquote>

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