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Message: <blockquote data-quote="billd91" data-source="post: 6469526" data-attributes="member: 3400">That doesn't actually illustrate a difference between "X successes before Y failures" and "X successes in Y passes". Bob the Silent could tag along with the first group (X success before Y failures) and not make a skill check just as easily as he could in the second. In the second (X successes over Y passes), if they need to get 3 successes out of 4 PCs on one pass, they still have to make 3 successes before 2 failures. 2 failures with 1 pass over 4 PCs means that they can't achieve 3 successes on the pass. If Bob the Silent tries to get a lucky roll and blows it, they're one failure closer to blowing the skill challenge. None of the other 3 PCs have any room to fail. Actually, the same is true if any of the 3 skill checking PCs fails. Increasing the number of passes could substantially increase the number of tolerated failures but that's the only real difference I'm seeing. And that won't really exist in a sample case where there's one pass.</blockquote>