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<blockquote data-quote="Teemu" data-source="post: 8197273" data-attributes="member: 30788"><p>I see that as poor framing of a challenge. If the challenge is something you can overcome with just, say, convincing a single person, it probably shouldn't even be a skill challenge. Not all skill checks are supposed to be part of a skill challenge, and Rules Compendium has examples of skills in play where skill challenges are not involved. I do know what you're talking about, and the issue is using a skill challenge where one doesn't need to be added. Or sometimes players come up with a very creative solution and you just bypass the skill challenge, the same way you would let them bypass a fight thanks to a particularly creative idea. If the skill challenge was intended to be long, like 8 or more successes, and the players still came up with something that bypasses the entire thing, then that would just be bad framing (like requiring 8 successes to get through the gates of a city).</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="Teemu, post: 8197273, member: 30788"] I see that as poor framing of a challenge. If the challenge is something you can overcome with just, say, convincing a single person, it probably shouldn't even be a skill challenge. Not all skill checks are supposed to be part of a skill challenge, and Rules Compendium has examples of skills in play where skill challenges are not involved. I do know what you're talking about, and the issue is using a skill challenge where one doesn't need to be added. Or sometimes players come up with a very creative solution and you just bypass the skill challenge, the same way you would let them bypass a fight thanks to a particularly creative idea. If the skill challenge was intended to be long, like 8 or more successes, and the players still came up with something that bypasses the entire thing, then that would just be bad framing (like requiring 8 successes to get through the gates of a city). [/QUOTE]

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