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<blockquote data-quote="surfarcher" data-source="post: 5467818" data-attributes="member: 84774">[MENTION=19675]Dannyalcatraz[/MENTION]Sorry but I disagree here.&nbsp; IMHO it's the DMs repsonsibility to encourage roleplaying.&nbsp; And IMHO that'[s relative to each player's experience and ability.My current group has some very strong roleplayers and some very new roleplayers.&nbsp; I don't expect the latter to RP out every role... But if they say &quot;I try to use diplomacy to get past him&quot; I ask them what, in rough terms, their character is trying to say diplomatically.&nbsp; They don't need to be a diplomat.&nbsp; But they do need to outline in very rough terms how their character is approaching the issue.&nbsp; I think anyone can do this.And, as I've come to expect of you, you understood the idea here...[MENTION=2011]KarinsDad[/MENTION]Hi KD!&nbsp; I provided I high-level outline of one of the SCs I ran that went over well.&nbsp; Are you asking for more details or was that sufficient for you?&nbsp; You can also find so very detailed information on the way I design and assemble Challenges at my <a href="http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?t=541849" target="_blank">[ALL Editions] Workshop: Non-Combat Game Structures (Skill Challenges, etc)</a> thread on rpg.net... There's far more detail on there than I usually go into![MENTION=58197]Dausuul[/MENTION]LOL! You know you can use &quot;wandering monsters&quot; in 4e. The thing is 4e encounters are supposed to be more consequential and story related than say 1e.&nbsp; What I do is specifically design two or more encounters that take place randomly when the PCs are in transit between other events.&nbsp; If they are slow or dally or the moon crosses venus I pull one of them out.&nbsp; And sometimes I play one to stall for time <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />&nbsp; Done right it's pretty cool.@<a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/members/the-jester.html" target="_blank">the Jester</a> and [MENTION=82106]AbdulAlhazred[/MENTION]See this is something I never understood.&nbsp; I mean I get the point of not railroading the PCs or stifling everything just because one SC was failed.&nbsp; But I don't see an SC as having any point if it's outcome isn't meaningful.&nbsp; There's always a tradeoff.&nbsp; Sometimes the party loses resources of some kind.&nbsp; But other times failure has to have a larger impact.&nbsp; Otherwise you lose emotional buyin and without that your players just aren't going to be engaged in the game for very long.Other comments OTW via XP assignment...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="surfarcher, post: 5467818, member: 84774"] [MENTION=19675]Dannyalcatraz[/MENTION] Sorry but I disagree here. IMHO it's the DMs repsonsibility to encourage roleplaying. And IMHO that'[s relative to each player's experience and ability. My current group has some very strong roleplayers and some very new roleplayers. I don't expect the latter to RP out every role... But if they say "I try to use diplomacy to get past him" I ask them what, in rough terms, their character is trying to say diplomatically. They don't need to be a diplomat. But they do need to outline in very rough terms how their character is approaching the issue. I think anyone can do this. And, as I've come to expect of you, you understood the idea here... [MENTION=2011]KarinsDad[/MENTION] Hi KD! I provided I high-level outline of one of the SCs I ran that went over well. Are you asking for more details or was that sufficient for you? You can also find so very detailed information on the way I design and assemble Challenges at my [url=http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?t=541849][ALL Editions] Workshop: Non-Combat Game Structures (Skill Challenges, etc)[/url] thread on rpg.net... There's [B]far[/B] more detail on there than I usually go into! [MENTION=58197]Dausuul[/MENTION] LOL! You know you [B]can[/B] use "wandering monsters" in 4e. The thing is 4e encounters are supposed to be more consequential and story related than say 1e. What I do is specifically design two or more encounters that take place randomly when the PCs are in transit between other events. If they are slow or dally or the moon crosses venus I pull one of them out. And sometimes I play one to stall for time :) Done right it's pretty cool. @[U][URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/members/the-jester.html"]the Jester[/URL][/U] and [MENTION=82106]AbdulAlhazred[/MENTION] See this is something I never understood. I mean I get the point of not railroading the PCs or stifling everything just because one SC was failed. But I don't see an SC as having any point if it's outcome isn't meaningful. There's always a tradeoff. Sometimes the party loses resources of some kind. But other times failure [B]has[/B] to have a larger impact. Otherwise you lose emotional buyin and without that your players just aren't going to be engaged in the game for very long. Other comments OTW via XP assignment... [/QUOTE]

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