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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 6062220" data-attributes="member: 87792">Those are all simple skill checks, not skill challenges.&nbsp; A skill challenge relates to a dynamic situation that isn't simply pass/fail.&nbsp; If it's simply pass/fail on a single point you use a skill check.&nbsp; And if you mean as components of the skill challenge, part of the point of a skill challenge is that you can afford failures - you can afford not to recognise the arms.This is just the inverse of the stealth problem and being handled badly by the DM.&nbsp; The stealth problem is that no matter how stealthy your party someone is likely to roll badly - so without a skill challenge mechanic you should split the party.It's being handled badly by the DM because it's one decision point.&nbsp; So you handle it as one primary skill with everyone else trying to aid other.&nbsp; And your complaint vanishes in a puff of smoke - the aid other not being primary so not counting for the failures.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 6062220, member: 87792"] Those are all simple skill checks, not skill challenges. A skill challenge relates to a dynamic situation that isn't simply pass/fail. If it's simply pass/fail on a single point you use a skill check. And if you mean as components of the skill challenge, part of the point of a skill challenge is that you can afford failures - you can afford not to recognise the arms. This is just the inverse of the stealth problem and being handled badly by the DM. The stealth problem is that no matter how stealthy your party someone is likely to roll badly - so without a skill challenge mechanic you should split the party. It's being handled badly by the DM because it's one decision point. So you handle it as one primary skill with everyone else trying to aid other. And your complaint vanishes in a puff of smoke - the aid other not being primary so not counting for the failures. [/QUOTE]

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