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Message: <blockquote data-quote="the Jester" data-source="post: 6178792" data-attributes="member: 1210">It shouldn't be too hard to put something together that's in the same vein as the 4e chart. Let me see what I can do...From the 4e Rules Compendium, pg 126:I would start there, and with hard DCs (though I'd change the starting assumptions to a stat of 16 at lower levels, personally).  A 1st level 3e character with max ranks (4), a 16 stat (+3) and no other bonuses has a +7 to a skill check. If the DC is 15, this guy makes the check on a natural 8 or higher- 65% of the time. I'd increase hard DCs at a rate just over 1 per level. Between Skill Focus or +2/+2 feats, items boosting skills, racial bonuses and ability increases from level and gear, I'd add an extra +1 to the DC something like four to eight times- maybe as often as every odd level after 1st, but I would have to look at some 3e pcs again, and it has been a while.At the opposite (easy) end, a pc with a 10 stat and no ranks has a total of +0, which doesn't automatically go up by levels (unlike in 4e). I'd start with the same easy DC of 8 as 4e, but only increase it a bit with levels- about as often as you bump the DC on hard checks above the 1/level progression. So maybe up to DC 14 or 17 by 20th level. This is a weird case, though; 4e's assumptions on math by level are so baked in here that it's hard to say. I mean, higher level pcs will have higher stats, a smattering of ranks in barely-trained skills here and there, etc...For moderate DCs,I'd start with the assumption of "4 ranks,  no stat  bonus" at first level. To make this 65% of the time, the DC should be 12. This one I'd increase slightly slower than 1/level, maybe leaving the DC stable on levels that end in 5 and 0.What's this look like in practice?Level --- Easy/Moderate/Hard DC1 --- 8/12/152 --- 8/13/163 --- 8/14/174 --- 9/15/195 --- 9/15/206 --- 9/16/217 --- 10/17/238 --- 10/18/249 --- 10/19/2510 --- 10/19/2611 --- 11/20/2812 --- 11/21/2913 --- 11/22/3014 --- 11/23/3115 --- 12/23/3316 --- 12/24/3417 --- 12/25/3518 --- 12/26/3619 --- 13/27/3820 --- 13/27/39Like I said, it's been a while since I've 3e'd, but that feels about right to me. I'd have to really look over some stats to check it out, though.</blockquote>

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