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Message: <blockquote data-quote="iserith" data-source="post: 6545872" data-attributes="member: 97077">I'd like to point out what I think is another subtle but important distinction in the part I bolded of your post above: A failed check doesn't necessarily mean that the thief failed to detect the trap in the fiction. It depends on what stakes the DM sets before the roll. Those stakes could be "Successful Check: Detect trap, Failed Check: Do not detect trap," but it could also be a lot of other stakes. When the rules are talking about success and failure (see Basic Rules, page 58), they're talking about whether the check meets or exceeds the DC. That doesn't necessarily equate to the attempt outright failing if the roll falls short (though it could be and I've given reasons above why I think it's best that it's not in most cases).</blockquote>