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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Beholder Bob" data-source="post: 1127979" data-attributes="member: 12866">If it is easier to have a single skill of Vocation for you, rather than the split of Profession and Craft, that's fine.  Oh thank you so very much.But tell me, what Ability modifier applies to that Vocation? Because Craft gets INT, and Profession gets WIS, because the skills have different uses. for day in, day out money earning, use WIS.  For a specific task, you focus on, INT.  Shocking - but true, the skill mod used is determined by the task.Also, do you allow a character to use the Vocation untrained? Why or why not? Most Craft skills can be used untrained, as anyone can try to make things, but all professions are untrained. Any one can attempt to make an unskilled attempt at making a living, using WIS, but are unable to make quality items on demand.  Just like you would assume per the skills in question (WOW! Now there is a surprise.)Oh, and any gymnast will tell you, balancing and tumbling are two different skill sets. Just because someone can do sowersaults does not mean they can perform on a balance beam, and vice-versa. Well - balance and tumbling as a single skill was not my argument.  I hate to say it, but I agree with you on this. If a floor starts sliding into a pit, it's a Reflex save because that is whether or not you can react to the floor slinding underneath you in time.  But...wouldn't you think a tumbler would be more likely to respond to a tilting floor then a regular Joe?  I do, and not just because of his DEX.  Just as escape artist can be used to escape a grapple, perhaps allowing a tumble check instead of reflex to allow the PC to avoid falling into a pit is not unreasonable, ehh.  Not per the rules, but a reasonable extraction from the grapple example. If you try to cross a rope are you going to cartwheel across? No, you'll try to keep your balance. Two different skills, used for different situations.[/SIZE]  Jeez, your not being sarcastic with that cartwheel comment, are you?  Again, not my argument.Any other questions that can be explained properly to you? Love yourself much?  Do you leave lip marks on the mirror?  Oh, what are these funny twenty sided plastic things used for, huh teach?Endnote: the vocation suggestion does not change the number of skills a PC would take (unless you believe there are skills that should be both a craft and a profession), simply allowing anyone with a vocation a chance to make high quality goods.  The cook example you gave is not so clear.  Check the boards, it has been a point of contention in the past here.  Not all vocations are the same, despite what your high school counselor may have told you - some have a more defined product (i.e. craft like product) then others.  The vocation sailor makes a WIS check for day in, day out functions as a sailor to earn his keep.  Repairs on the ship would need an INT check, and the quality of the work would be kind of important.  Hey, and it is a house rule.  If you do not like it, don't try it. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></blockquote>

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