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<blockquote data-quote="Sanackranib" data-source="post: 1090729" data-attributes="member: 8674">it all depends on what you are trying to accompolish. elven cloak and boots offer a higher bonus but rely on magic as well as taking up slots and costing money. if you burn the feats that isn't the case but you burn precious feats:example: I rolled up a rogue who was gonna be a pickpocket. the DC for pick pockets was 20 and I had an 18 DEX which ment I would still FAIL 60% of the time at 1st level. not great odds and that doesn't even include the chance that they notice the attempt.to compensate I proposed a new feat called lightfingered which added a +2 bonus to pick pockets and open locks. If I were to take said feat (because nothing else but skill focus effected pick pockets) and skill focus I would raise my Pick pockets roll to 13. which I could take 10 in and make. the opposed roll is 23 high for a level 1 character but makeable. if the DM disallowed taking 10 on that check I would have 13 +1d20 to the roll, minimum 14 or only a 30% chance of failure since the minimum roll is 6 short of what is needed. for this type of character these would be much better odds. they don't cost any money and I could still use other equipment or magic items if I could get them to inhance my roll later.so to address your question it all depends on how good you want to be at those 2 skills and how soon.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Sanackranib, post: 1090729, member: 8674"] it all depends on what you are trying to accompolish. elven cloak and boots offer a higher bonus but rely on magic as well as taking up slots and costing money. if you burn the feats that isn't the case but you burn precious feats: example: I rolled up a rogue who was gonna be a pickpocket. the DC for pick pockets was 20 and I had an 18 DEX which ment I would still FAIL 60% of the time at 1st level. not great odds and that doesn't even include the chance that they notice the attempt. to compensate I proposed a new feat called lightfingered which added a +2 bonus to pick pockets and open locks. If I were to take said feat (because nothing else but skill focus effected pick pockets) and skill focus I would raise my Pick pockets roll to 13. which I could take 10 in and make. the opposed roll is 23 high for a level 1 character but makeable. if the DM disallowed taking 10 on that check I would have 13 +1d20 to the roll, minimum 14 or only a 30% chance of failure since the minimum roll is 6 short of what is needed. for this type of character these would be much better odds. they don't cost any money and I could still use other equipment or magic items if I could get them to inhance my roll later. so to address your question it all depends on how good you want to be at those 2 skills and how soon. [/QUOTE]

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