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<blockquote data-quote="Li Shenron" data-source="post: 2786100" data-attributes="member: 1465"><p>Well, I was thinking that Survival, Hide, Move Silently are the 100% typical Ranger skills. Knowledge (Nature) would be the next, but not necessarily maxed out. Listen & Spot are IMO the kind of skills which shouldn't be considered "necessary" by anyone, especially not necessary to be maxed out, but if there is one only class which could claim to be the L&S expert it is definitely the Ranger IMO.</p><p></p><p>However, try to take a look at the Rogue class skill list, for example. Even with 8 skill points per level, a Rogue cannot maximize all the roguish skills: Search, Disable Device, Open Lock, Sleigh of Hand, Bluff, Hide, Move Silently, Tumble... already 8. What about then Gather Information, Appraise, Knowledge(Local), Escape Artist and Use Magic Device?</p><p></p><p>My point is that just like a Rogue cannot always be able to do everything he might be able to, why should the Ranger? If they want to be able to do more, either they need to me more intelligent than average, or choose to do everything at less than top (i.e. not maxed out). I haven't played 3.5 long enough to see more than 2-3 rangers, but none of them had an Int bonus, and the reason IMO is that the player has little motivations to "invest" in Int.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Li Shenron, post: 2786100, member: 1465"] Well, I was thinking that Survival, Hide, Move Silently are the 100% typical Ranger skills. Knowledge (Nature) would be the next, but not necessarily maxed out. Listen & Spot are IMO the kind of skills which shouldn't be considered "necessary" by anyone, especially not necessary to be maxed out, but if there is one only class which could claim to be the L&S expert it is definitely the Ranger IMO. However, try to take a look at the Rogue class skill list, for example. Even with 8 skill points per level, a Rogue cannot maximize all the roguish skills: Search, Disable Device, Open Lock, Sleigh of Hand, Bluff, Hide, Move Silently, Tumble... already 8. What about then Gather Information, Appraise, Knowledge(Local), Escape Artist and Use Magic Device? My point is that just like a Rogue cannot always be able to do everything he might be able to, why should the Ranger? If they want to be able to do more, either they need to me more intelligent than average, or choose to do everything at less than top (i.e. not maxed out). I haven't played 3.5 long enough to see more than 2-3 rangers, but none of them had an Int bonus, and the reason IMO is that the player has little motivations to "invest" in Int. [/QUOTE]
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