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<blockquote data-quote="5ekyu" data-source="post: 7616583" data-attributes="member: 6919838">No, you ignore reality when pretending it can be fixed at the points level. There are systems out there with skills systems and such and 500 pages of point buy construction for everything from languages to skills to fear of flying to thermal long johns and nuclear weapons with over three decades of hashing and rehashing and so on and so forth and yet, today, they still have the same kinds of &quot;but this needs to be that cost and that needs to be rolled into&quot; they had all along.&quot;In play&quot; is where the value is seen. &quot;In play&quot; is where the value matters. It doesn't happen in the white room. If you reason for the call to action is that you have seen some folks unhappy with the perception they have of the in-game value of skills and the course you want to lay out to a solution is to turn the skills into a point-buy based on some pre-defined&nbsp; assigment of costs based on value of value, show a system with skills breakdowns and costs where that is not the case from some of those systems which have been doing it for decades?I am sure you must know of several since you propose this as the way to go to fix it here... we will wait...one or two likely will be enough...i will go grab a soda and be back later to see...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="5ekyu, post: 7616583, member: 6919838"] No, you ignore reality when pretending it can be fixed at the points level. There are systems out there with skills systems and such and 500 pages of point buy construction for everything from languages to skills to fear of flying to thermal long johns and nuclear weapons with over three decades of hashing and rehashing and so on and so forth and yet, today, they still have the same kinds of "but this needs to be that cost and that needs to be rolled into" they had all along. "In play" is where the value is seen. "In play" is where the value matters. It doesn't happen in the white room. If you reason for the call to action is that you have seen some folks unhappy with the perception they have of the in-game value of skills and the course you want to lay out to a solution is to turn the skills into a point-buy based on some pre-defined assigment of costs based on value of value, show a system with skills breakdowns and costs where that is not the case from some of those systems which have been doing it for decades? I am sure you must know of several since you propose this as the way to go to fix it here... we will wait... one or two likely will be enough... i will go grab a soda and be back later to see... [/QUOTE]

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