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<blockquote data-quote="DND_Reborn" data-source="post: 7616719" data-attributes="member: 6987520"><p>I agree, I see a very large difference between Athletics and Acrobatics.We use passive scores somewhat differently. If you have a passive score that is high enough to "detect" something, the DM tells you to roll a check even if you don't say you want to. For example, if the characters walk past a secret door with a DC 20, a character with a Passive Perception of 20 or better might notice the door even if they aren't looking. So, the DM will tell the player to roll and if they make it, the character notices the secret door. In other words, high passive scores give you a chance to notice something but it isn't automatic.This makes Observant useful but not automatic since when you roll your check, you don't get the +5 bonus. If you play with passive automatically noticing things without a roll, it is too powerful, at least at our table. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" />We've never had an issue with overlap of Investigation and Perception but I could see where others might have some problems if you don't have clear definitions in use.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DND_Reborn, post: 7616719, member: 6987520"] I agree, I see a very large difference between Athletics and Acrobatics.We use passive scores somewhat differently. If you have a passive score that is high enough to "detect" something, the DM tells you to roll a check even if you don't say you want to. For example, if the characters walk past a secret door with a DC 20, a character with a Passive Perception of 20 or better might notice the door even if they aren't looking. So, the DM will tell the player to roll and if they make it, the character notices the secret door. In other words, high passive scores give you a chance to notice something but it isn't automatic.This makes Observant useful but not automatic since when you roll your check, you don't get the +5 bonus. If you play with passive automatically noticing things without a roll, it is too powerful, at least at our table. :)We've never had an issue with overlap of Investigation and Perception but I could see where others might have some problems if you don't have clear definitions in use. [/QUOTE]
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