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<blockquote data-quote="Nonlethal Force" data-source="post: 3684410" data-attributes="member: 35788">When a game becomes too complex that the bookkeeping no longer makes it fun for the DM, that is a valid reason to no longer add.I can't speak for Twowolves, but that is how I feel about most of the late WotC publishings.&nbsp; If they were making already used aspects of the game larger (simply adding more feats, spells, etc) I would probably be buying up products right and left.&nbsp; But, their latest span of books have really been more like &quot;We're leaving the core game alone and producing several expansion packs that make the game bigger.&quot;&nbsp; Now, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that approach.&nbsp; It lets people pick and choose which &quot;expansion pack&quot; they want.&nbsp; They can add Incarnum, or maneuvers, or skill tricks, or reserve feats, or alternate class abilities, etc.&nbsp; [For the record, many of those and more I have allowed into the game!]But I have reached my saturation point as a DM.&nbsp; Between my 40+ hour per week job, my marriage, and my duties around the house I only have enough time and space for a certain complexity of a game.&nbsp; I don't have much extra time to sit around and remember the rules.&nbsp; And I hate as a DM not being familiar with a mechanic that a player is using.&nbsp; I hate forgetting what something does when someone has written it on their character sheet.&nbsp; As a DM, I try to minimize the number of times I say, &quot;Wait, I need to look that up.'&nbsp; [Trust me, our group doesn't grapple/turn undead much at all because we all hate having to look up those rules every time!]So, as a group we've decided the group has gotten complex enough.&nbsp; Not that there is anything bad with the systems of skill tricks, Incarnum, or skill tricks - Just that we don't have time to know all the rules for an additional system and the enjoyment of the game would tank because of all the page flipping required.&nbsp; Besides.&nbsp; Now that we have become static in our game and aren't going to be purchasing any products that have a considerable stock in adding a subsystem (like Incarnum or Skill Tricks) it means that our game is much more stable.&nbsp; And, it means I can focus my monetary resources in another direction!&nbsp; And, [This is not meant to be a hijack] it means I could care less about 4e because we have reached a stable game that everyone at my table is happy with.&nbsp; We have enough complexity to make it interesting for a long time!Having said that, you are certainy welcome to enjoy the added complexity.&nbsp; And, stuff like reserve feats and skill tricks are not really broken (except a few loopholes, but every system has a few loopholes.&nbsp; Pun-pun anyone? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> )&nbsp; Enjoy your complexity, by all means!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Nonlethal Force, post: 3684410, member: 35788"] When a game becomes too complex that the bookkeeping no longer makes it fun for the DM, that is a valid reason to no longer add.I can't speak for Twowolves, but that is how I feel about most of the late WotC publishings. If they were making already used aspects of the game larger (simply adding more feats, spells, etc) I would probably be buying up products right and left. But, their latest span of books have really been more like "We're leaving the core game alone and producing several expansion packs that make the game bigger." Now, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that approach. It lets people pick and choose which "expansion pack" they want. They can add Incarnum, or maneuvers, or skill tricks, or reserve feats, or alternate class abilities, etc. [For the record, many of those and more I have allowed into the game!] But I have reached my saturation point as a DM. Between my 40+ hour per week job, my marriage, and my duties around the house I only have enough time and space for a certain complexity of a game. I don't have much extra time to sit around and remember the rules. And I hate as a DM not being familiar with a mechanic that a player is using. I hate forgetting what something does when someone has written it on their character sheet. As a DM, I try to minimize the number of times I say, "Wait, I need to look that up.' [Trust me, our group doesn't grapple/turn undead much at all because we all hate having to look up those rules every time!] So, as a group we've decided the group has gotten complex enough. Not that there is anything bad with the systems of skill tricks, Incarnum, or skill tricks - Just that we don't have time to know all the rules for an additional system and the enjoyment of the game would tank because of all the page flipping required. Besides. Now that we have become static in our game and aren't going to be purchasing any products that have a considerable stock in adding a subsystem (like Incarnum or Skill Tricks) it means that our game is much more stable. And, it means I can focus my monetary resources in another direction! And, [This is not meant to be a hijack] it means I could care less about 4e because we have reached a stable game that everyone at my table is happy with. We have enough complexity to make it interesting for a long time! Having said that, you are certainy welcome to enjoy the added complexity. And, stuff like reserve feats and skill tricks are not really broken (except a few loopholes, but every system has a few loopholes. Pun-pun anyone? :) ) Enjoy your complexity, by all means! [/QUOTE]

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