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<blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 8155501" data-attributes="member: 93670">I'm going to go with option 4.&nbsp; I like options 1&amp;2 but 3 is missing the critical &quot;collaborative exercise in emergent narrative&quot; from number 2.&nbsp; Back in&nbsp; 2nd edition &amp; earlier it was pretty much guaranteed to be there from time to time because there were so many pieces that were pretty much ask your gm &amp; maybe invent something together.&nbsp; 3.5 had&nbsp; +2/-2 &amp; this to give structure to ask your gm &amp; invent something together for both sides to work from as a starting point. [spoiler=&quot;bonus types&quot;][ATTACH=full]130449[/ATTACH][/spoiler]of course d&amp;d skipped straight from 3.5 to 5e but without either the huge holes of the early editions that forced it or the framework for enabling it from 3.5 you have 5e being especially bad&nbsp; if you want to do any amount of point 2 without resorting to calvinball which isn't helped by the fact that so many of&nbsp; of the damaging &quot;streamlining&quot; &amp; &quot;simplifications&quot; that were done to enable exactly that by binding the GMs hands with a lack of designspace to leverage.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="tetrasodium, post: 8155501, member: 93670"] I'm going to go with [B]option 4[/B]. I like options 1&2 but 3 is missing the critical[I] "[U]collaborative[/U] exercise in [U]emergent narrative[/U]" [/I]from number 2. Back in 2nd edition & earlier it was pretty much guaranteed to be there from time to time because there were so many pieces that were pretty much ask your gm & maybe invent something together. 3.5 had +2/-2 & this to give structure to ask your gm & invent something together for both sides to work from as a starting point. [spoiler="bonus types"] [ATTACH type="full"]130449[/ATTACH] [/spoiler] of course d&d skipped straight from 3.5 to 5e but without either the huge holes of the early editions that forced it or the framework for enabling it from 3.5 you have 5e being especially bad if you want to do any amount of point 2 without resorting to calvinball which isn't helped by the fact that so many of of the damaging "streamlining" & "simplifications" that were done to enable exactly that by binding the GMs hands with a lack of designspace to leverage. [/QUOTE]

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