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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Minigiant" data-source="post: 8155868" data-attributes="member: 63508">Ohoho.Having a 3 Charisma does not allow you to get out of conversations. Not at my table.---The key difference I think is in stat generation.In the old days, you rolled stats. So you could end up with a PC who by the stats did not match the character you wanted to roleplay. So mental and physical actions were less entwined with ability scores. Your Int 7 Cha 8 fighter could still be the one to think up a bartering tactic and to convince the noble to fund your expedition.  Because stats didn't matter, a group could choose to lean heavily on their own knowledge or the characters' and have it work.In the later years, players have more control of their stats. Arrays where added. Point buy was added. Rolls aren't in order. So there was less reason to ignore the sheets and just talk in order to get things done. If you wanted to be so suave that you didn't need that drip to get in the noble's conversation, you get made your character that way. Then you beat him up with your Charisma score.</blockquote>