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<blockquote data-quote="Oofta" data-source="post: 8156241" data-attributes="member: 6801845">[USER=6803203]@DemoMonkey[/USER], [USER=6921763]@DM Dave1[/USER], I'm just relaying how I run my game.&nbsp; There are times I will call for a check there will be times where a player will say something like &quot;Can I tell if they're lying&quot; or &quot;Can I get an insight check&quot;.&nbsp; If the player is indicating an insight check I let them roll.&nbsp; If it fails or if the shopkeeper is telling the truth or the check isn't good enough (a 20 isn't auto success) they get a &quot;As far as you can tell they are telling the truth.&quot;I think the &quot;rule&quot; that people rely on is shaky reading of the text at best, but I also don't really care.&nbsp; I'm not a stickler for rules and everybody has their own style.&nbsp; As the text states, don't ask for an acrobatics check to walk across the floor but there are times when I find asking (or allowing for) checks makes for a better game. Even if success or failure is not in question.Run your games differently, it's a free country, but I'm not going to argue about it.&nbsp; Skill checks* are just one of the tools in the box that I use now and then.*And yes, I'm well aware that it's an ability check with appropriate proficiency modifier applied.&nbsp; I don't give a fig about that either because it's just way too finicky and wordy for me.&nbsp; It's confusing to new players to ask for a Wisdom (insight) check when I can just ask for an Insight check and point them to the list of skills on their character sheet.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Oofta, post: 8156241, member: 6801845"] [USER=6803203]@DemoMonkey[/USER], [USER=6921763]@DM Dave1[/USER], I'm just relaying how I run my game. There are times I will call for a check there will be times where a player will say something like "Can I tell if they're lying" or "Can I get an insight check". If the player is indicating an insight check I let them roll. If it fails or if the shopkeeper is telling the truth or the check isn't good enough (a 20 isn't auto success) they get a "As far as you can tell they are telling the truth." I think the "rule" that people rely on is shaky reading of the text at best, but I also don't really care. I'm not a stickler for rules and everybody has their own style. As the text states, don't ask for an acrobatics check to walk across the floor but there are times when I find asking (or allowing for) checks makes for a better game. Even if success or failure is not in question. Run your games differently, it's a free country, but I'm not going to argue about it. Skill checks* are just one of the tools in the box that I use now and then. *[I]And yes, I'm well aware that it's an ability check with appropriate proficiency modifier applied. I don't give a fig about that either because it's just way too finicky and wordy for me. It's confusing to new players to ask for a Wisdom (insight) check when I can just ask for an Insight check and point them to the list of skills on their character sheet.[/I] [/QUOTE]

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