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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Garthanos" data-source="post: 7857449" data-attributes="member: 82504"><p>I do not think attribute checks really were actually given a base line if they were then where?  - ie in 4e I could well say that a skill power lets you do something a skill can do without a check if you want to improvise an encounter one have at it and it will likely involve a fairly normal difficulty skill check  if you are after one that is probably a daily it will be a more difficult check. Assuming you are doing something like an existing skill power. And there are a few already defined abilities to provide a base line in the skill section.  I can let someone improvise a ritual even using pretty basic cost guidelines in 4e.</p></blockquote><p></p>