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<blockquote data-quote="Ashrym" data-source="post: 7857485" data-attributes="member: 6750235">That would never happen in any of my games.&nbsp; I don't feel the need to hide behind a die roll to say &quot;no&quot; when I could have already said it instead of making the roll.It's also evidences of over-rolling clouding the capabilities of the character.&nbsp; Randomness occurs when in doubt based on circumstances.&nbsp; Otherwise a person simply narrates the effect.That looks an example of the player setting the scope of the checks instead of the DM, but it also depends on how the checks are applied.&nbsp; It's not hard to look at the opposed check rules and apply those, for example.I know that if I'm playing a barbarian that might fight demigods I have advantage on STR checks while raging and cannot roll below my STR score from 18th level on.&nbsp; That means my barbarian at 20th level with 24 STR and advantage while raging trying to wrestle with a demigod has a +13 athletics check, will average 28 on the checks, and cannot have less than 24 regardless.&nbsp; What do you think the opposed checks are on these demigods?&nbsp; The monsters use the same ability system the players use.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ashrym, post: 7857485, member: 6750235"] That would never happen in any of my games. I don't feel the need to hide behind a die roll to say "no" when I could have already said it instead of making the roll. It's also evidences of over-rolling clouding the capabilities of the character. Randomness occurs when in doubt based on circumstances. Otherwise a person simply narrates the effect. That looks an example of the player setting the scope of the checks instead of the DM, but it also depends on how the checks are applied. It's not hard to look at the opposed check rules and apply those, for example. I know that if I'm playing a barbarian that might fight demigods I have advantage on STR checks while raging and cannot roll below my STR score from 18th level on. That means my barbarian at 20th level with 24 STR and advantage while raging trying to wrestle with a demigod has a +13 athletics check, will average 28 on the checks, and cannot have less than 24 regardless. What do you think the opposed checks are on these demigods? The monsters use the same ability system the players use. [/QUOTE]

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