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<blockquote data-quote="Li Shenron" data-source="post: 7857840" data-attributes="member: 1465">Something tells me the discussion is a bit moot...I liked it when 3e gave me a fixed list of DCs for various challenges, but it did NOT make me as a DM feel less in power. It helped me connect the narrative with the mechanics, just by looking a table up. I would certainly appreciate such kind of tables be provided in 5e.But in terms of DM empowerment, I have no difference. In 3e, if a table said that &quot;bash a wooden door&quot; is DC 15 and &quot;bash a metal door&quot; is DC 20, I would still be in power of deciding whether to have a wooden door or a metal door in order to end with the DC I want. In 5e, I decide more directly if I want DC 15 or 20, and maybe I have a bit more freedom with the door description, but the players will end up with the same DC I want.Tables would be useful to me because indeed they would help me be consistent in those descriptions, so that I don't accidentally mix up wooden and metal doors because I don't remember which DC I used on the previous session... But the downside is that they also force a specific narrative: with an &quot;official&quot; table of doors DC, the DM does not feel so easily entitled to narrate a situation the way she wants. For example, what if a DM feels that iron doors shouldn't even exist because she wants a medieval feel to her settings? With an official table, she's stuck with DC 15 everywhere, and maybe that's not appropriate from a gamist point of view.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Li Shenron, post: 7857840, member: 1465"] Something tells me the discussion is a bit moot... I liked it when 3e gave me a fixed list of DCs for various challenges, but it did NOT make me as a DM feel less in power. It helped me connect the narrative with the mechanics, just by looking a table up. I would certainly appreciate such kind of tables be provided in 5e. But in terms of DM empowerment, I have no difference. In 3e, if a table said that "bash a wooden door" is DC 15 and "bash a metal door" is DC 20, I would still be in power of deciding whether to have a wooden door or a metal door in order to end with the DC I want. In 5e, I decide more directly if I want DC 15 or 20, and maybe I have a bit more freedom with the door description, but the players will end up with the same DC I want. Tables would be useful to me because indeed they would help me be consistent in those descriptions, so that I don't accidentally mix up wooden and metal doors because I don't remember which DC I used on the previous session... But the downside is that they [I]also[/I] force a specific narrative: with an "official" table of doors DC, the DM does not feel so easily entitled to narrate a situation the way she wants. For example, what if a DM feels that iron doors shouldn't even exist because she wants a medieval feel to her settings? With an official table, she's stuck with DC 15 everywhere, and maybe that's not appropriate from a gamist point of view. [/QUOTE]

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