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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ashrym" data-source="post: 7858975" data-attributes="member: 6750235">Yes, it's not "totally trivial" because the opponents often continue to have a turn or more while the party closes to range for the teleport.  An opponent that a 13th+ level party would need to flee from while they have the need to flee has that party closing in tight formation for him before they flee.  They are fleeing because they are either facing something beyond a 13th level party (and force cage as an alternative to teleport) or they are at risk because they are low on hit points and resources (which means the 7th level slot for teleport is likely already used).Have a look in the MM or even just the SRD 13 CR monsters for an idea of what the party is actually facing.  Easily running away from weaker monsters is hardly impressive.  The monsters the party might be running from can devastate a party already needing to flee in that short amount of time.Do you see the irony of your earlier bard comment and my request to see the build?My claim is teleport is a mediocre spell.  Keep that clear claim in mind.Why did you assume it take magic to stop magic?  What do you think happens when the wizards shouts to the party "gather near me! we're getting out of here!"?That archer battle master action surges and drops the wizard.  The dragon breathes fire and drops the wizard.  The beholder simply stops the wizard.  A 5th level monk runs up and stuns the 13th level wizard.  Numerous poisons are save for unconscious or save for blindness.  Any effect that stops seeing stops the teleportation because seeing the individuals to be teleported is stipulated in the description.  That can be something as simple as shooting the light source out of the wizard's possession (battle master trick shot, slight of hand and a toss) to force the wizard to take another turn adding the light source back.There is a pretty long list of things to deny the wizard actions that are not magical.It's a high level spell.  That comes with high level opponents.  High DEX and stealth expertise gives the ability to escape chases.  A high level teleportation chase between two capable beings is just a different take on the same concept. There is a problem in the based premise, however.  By the time the party is in a position where they think they need to flee they have already used those high level resources and teleport is no longer an option.That's a forced scenario.  It's more likely that someone uses greater restoration at that point and if that cannot work because of fiat, or isn't available for some reason, then herbalism and medicine actually do exist for those rare afflictions.  I can count the times teleport mattered in 5e in our games with no hands.  It's never been important and it's actually only been cast outside of combat to either go home or go somewhere that might have a known teleportation circle because of the miss chances.If you have the time, it's better to just use plane shift, rest, and use plane shift again because that avoids the miss chance.</blockquote>

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