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<blockquote data-quote="Sadrik" data-source="post: 6090798" data-attributes="member: 14506">Its different for the obvious reason that it is built into the DMs side rather than the players side.So, that is advantageous because then characters do not fundamentally change based on the skill options/modules the DM/players use. For example if the skill system were used, there would just be a list of skills on the character sheet, no number attached to them (perhaps the key stat though &quot;[DEX]&quot; etc.The base line DC and assumption is that you do not use a skill system. Characters under this assumption have access to every skill the DCs are set at this base level. When using the skill module/system players have an unskilled penalty and a skilled bonus. So perhaps +2 to the DC for unskilled (harder to do) and -3 to the DC for skilled (easier to accomplish). Idk, just an idea. I do like the invisible nature of the numbers though.Advantage is basically a circumstance/luck modifier in the system as construed. If it became a skill bonus the circumstance/luck modifier would have to change to something else.I agree, a slightly expanded 4e skill list would be the best. Things like making stuff (crafting) should be included. However insight skill should be removed that is just a savings throw by another mechanic. Got to remove those types of skills.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Sadrik, post: 6090798, member: 14506"] Its different for the obvious reason that it is built into the DMs side rather than the players side. So, that is advantageous because then characters do not fundamentally change based on the skill options/modules the DM/players use. For example if the skill system were used, there would just be a list of skills on the character sheet, no number attached to them (perhaps the key stat though "[DEX]" etc. The base line DC and assumption is that you do not use a skill system. Characters under this assumption have access to every skill the DCs are set at this base level. When using the skill module/system players have an unskilled penalty and a skilled bonus. So perhaps +2 to the DC for unskilled (harder to do) and -3 to the DC for skilled (easier to accomplish). Idk, just an idea. I do like the invisible nature of the numbers though. Advantage is basically a circumstance/luck modifier in the system as construed. If it became a skill bonus the circumstance/luck modifier would have to change to something else. I agree, a slightly expanded 4e skill list would be the best. Things like making stuff (crafting) should be included. However insight skill should be removed that is just a savings throw by another mechanic. Got to remove those types of skills. [/QUOTE]

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