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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 6093411" data-attributes="member: 82106">Yeah, I don't get it either:My character, Arnulf Schwarzenmusculature has a STR of 20. He's not trained in Athletics, he's just STRONG. You're telling me that he can't lift something that a 12 STR guy with Athletics training can lift? It makes no sense at all. Even in 4e raw shows of STR were ability checks, not skill checks. Your weaker guy might be as good, or even slightly better, at breaking down a door, but what would be the point of ability scores at all if they don't give you a benefit to doing things that rely on that sort of ability? I have a friend who is 4 inches taller and 70 lbs heavier than me. He's STRONG. No amount of my doing strength training will ever get me close to doing what he can do without breaking a sweat. I think ability scores, to be useful at all, need to be directly involved in what your character can do well or not do well. After all their very purpose is to define the strong and weak points of the character. If they don't do that then why have them?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 6093411, member: 82106"] Yeah, I don't get it either: My character, Arnulf Schwarzenmusculature has a STR of 20. He's not trained in Athletics, he's just STRONG. You're telling me that he can't lift something that a 12 STR guy with Athletics training can lift? It makes no sense at all. Even in 4e raw shows of STR were ability checks, not skill checks. Your weaker guy might be as good, or even slightly better, at breaking down a door, but what would be the point of ability scores at all if they don't give you a benefit to doing things that rely on that sort of ability? I have a friend who is 4 inches taller and 70 lbs heavier than me. He's STRONG. No amount of my doing strength training will ever get me close to doing what he can do without breaking a sweat. I think ability scores, to be useful at all, need to be directly involved in what your character can do well or not do well. After all their very purpose is to define the strong and weak points of the character. If they don't do that then why have them? [/QUOTE]

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