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<blockquote data-quote="Saeviomagy" data-source="post: 7108852" data-attributes="member: 5890">Yep, fair enough. I just personally don't like the way the skill system and combat interact.My plan would probably be to leave the lists as is, but add might to anyone appropriate. If a player chooses both athletics and acrobatics, I'll tell them that having both is unnecessary.Also, my thought is that might is actually something you can train: weightlifting is not all about pure strength, after all. There's a fair bit of technique involved. Might is about applying strength effectively.Perhaps I didn't explain well. 5e's passive rolls are not actually 'rolls that the player doesn't ask for'. They're actually 'rolls where the DM decides to set the result of the d20 to 10'. He can fairly arbitrarily say that any check is a passive check. He's encouraged to do so in certain situations, but the wording doesn't seem either exclusive or mandatory.My method for handling passive checks basically takes the &quot;arbitrarily&quot; bit to heart. I will use a passive (ie &quot;you rolled a 10&quot;) check any time I feel like I don't want to roll dice, either because the action is relatively unimportant or the dice rolling would make things unnecessarily random (ie - both sides of a conflict rolling d20s). I will use a real roll at all other times, regardless of the character's declared actions.The second part is that perception is a skill which doesn't require that the character changes the environment - it's observation, not interaction.This means that it's fine when a module hands out perception rolls against a static DC without needing the players to ask for them.Further to that, if a character then chooses to investigate something which could have been detected with a perception check, I can lower the DC substantially and let them try.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Saeviomagy, post: 7108852, member: 5890"] Yep, fair enough. I just personally don't like the way the skill system and combat interact. My plan would probably be to leave the lists as is, but add might to anyone appropriate. If a player chooses both athletics and acrobatics, I'll tell them that having both is unnecessary. Also, my thought is that might is actually something you can train: weightlifting is not all about pure strength, after all. There's a fair bit of technique involved. Might is about applying strength effectively. Perhaps I didn't explain well. 5e's passive rolls are not actually 'rolls that the player doesn't ask for'. They're actually 'rolls where the DM decides to set the result of the d20 to 10'. He can fairly arbitrarily say that any check is a passive check. He's encouraged to do so in certain situations, but the wording doesn't seem either exclusive or mandatory. My method for handling passive checks basically takes the "arbitrarily" bit to heart. I will use a passive (ie "you rolled a 10") check any time I feel like I don't want to roll dice, either because the action is relatively unimportant or the dice rolling would make things unnecessarily random (ie - both sides of a conflict rolling d20s). I will use a real roll at all other times, regardless of the character's declared actions. The second part is that perception is a skill which doesn't require that the character changes the environment - it's observation, not interaction. This means that it's fine when a module hands out perception rolls against a static DC without needing the players to ask for them. Further to that, if a character then chooses to investigate something which could have been detected with a perception check, I can lower the DC substantially and let them try. [/QUOTE]

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