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Message: <blockquote data-quote="vagabonvoid" data-source="post: 4134978" data-attributes="member: 61265">I have been over on WOTC forums for 4E and one of the anti-4E arguments has been that the new consolidated skill system limits the role-play value of out of combat scenarios...  I don't see how they see it.  I brought my thread here because right now, the 4E forums at WOTC are full of Trolls... I haven't had this problem (since the XP demos came out, I have had some 4E demos going) and here is a scenario comparison...********3.x GM: the city officer asks your for your credentials and what your business is here.Player 1:  I present my papers (already rolled forgery earlier) and I tell him I am here to give a gift to the magistrate (rolls bluff).  These 3 guy's loaded down with armor and swords, they are my personal assistants...  No I don't have any weapons (Rolls sleight of hand)GM: Rolls Sense motive vs the forged papers-compares.  Rolls Sense motive vs bluff. Rolls spot vs the sleight of hand...  Goes on to give the results in narrative...     4EGM: the city officer asks your for your credentials and what your business is here.Player 1:  I present my papers and I tell him I am here to give a gift to the magistrate .  These 3 guy's loaded down with armor and swords, they are my personal assistants...  No I don't have any weapons (Rolls bluff, possibly with thievery)GM: Rolls Insight, possibly perception. Goes on to give the results in narrative...***********With 4E, there just seems to be less rolls to worry about and you get the same results as in 3.x.  Is this typical of others who here have played demos of 4E?  (Please, if you haven't even demoed 4E, don't comment...  Your argument will be invalid)</blockquote>

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