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<blockquote data-quote="Inoeex" data-source="post: 6744199" data-attributes="member: 6802927">This is really sad now, I am thinking about leaving the gameWe have two house rules, one will give you -5 in skills you are not trained. The other gives adds half your level to your trained skills.With books' rules at level 2, your maximum prof is 2 and&nbsp; your min is 0, As a Bard you gained +1 in all skills tnx to Jack of All Trades which means you are 1 step behind trained skills.In our game at level 2, maximum prof is 3 and minimum is -5, as a Bard you gained +1 for JoAT and will be 8 steps behind trained skills.Totally unfair !JoAT does has not designed to prevent Bard to be less dafter&nbsp; as others who are not trained, its designed to makes Bard be good even on non trained skills .....As it says in PHB page 53, as it describes the class &quot; Many Bards Prefer to stick to sidelines in combat, using their magic to inspire their allies and hinder their foes ( which refers to Bardic Inspiration ) blah blah blah They have a wide ranging knowledge of many subjects and natural aptitude that lets them do almost anything well ( refers to Jack of All Trades ). Our DM does not accept my reasons and refused my request , I asked him to make Jack of All Trades fill half of the new gap :SIts unfair, beyond words.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Inoeex, post: 6744199, member: 6802927"] This is really sad now, I am thinking about leaving the game We have two house rules, one will give you -5 in skills you are not trained. The other gives adds half your level to your trained skills. With books' rules at level 2, your maximum prof is 2 and your min is 0, As a Bard you gained +1 in all skills tnx to Jack of All Trades which means you are 1 step behind trained skills. In our game at level 2, maximum prof is 3 and minimum is -5, as a Bard you gained +1 for JoAT and will be 8 steps behind trained skills. Totally unfair ! JoAT does has not designed to prevent Bard to be less dafter as others who are not trained, its designed to makes Bard be good even on non trained skills ..... As it says in PHB page 53, as it describes the class " Many Bards Prefer to stick to sidelines in combat, using their magic to inspire their allies and hinder their foes ( which refers to Bardic Inspiration ) blah blah blah They have a wide ranging knowledge of many subjects and natural aptitude that lets them do almost anything well ( refers to Jack of All Trades ). Our DM does not accept my reasons and refused my request , I asked him to make Jack of All Trades fill half of the new gap :S Its unfair, beyond words. [/QUOTE]

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