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<blockquote data-quote="GameOgre" data-source="post: 7532934" data-attributes="member: 57914"><p>But social skills are not spells or attacks. They do not have the force of such things and don't take away the players agency but help direct that agency. It's called role playing. Your character might be talked into things he wouldn't normally do but yeah that's what happens when dealing with incredibly characteristic people! Why wouldn't you just role play that.</p><p></p><p>It's not like I was saying"you have to act out of alignment or even out of character really. It's not some charm spell, so you might indeed go along with it because that character is so charismatic but you the player get to decide how to do so and in what way its done. Even at what point it simply wouldn't work. But to insist that it holds no sway at all over your character isnt roll playing at all. </p><p>IMHO..</p><p></p><p></p><p>A example of good role playing and the use of social skills.</p><p>Fred is role playing Sir Fredrick and a Knight of the Vale. He is assigned to guard the Duke's grand hall and told to arrest anyone who comes in after midnight as none have permission to enter the hall that late.</p><p></p><p>Two hours into the watch Sir Fredrick is startled to see his good friend and fellow party member Toobob (played by Bob another player who plays a thief with high charisma and expertise in persuasion) come into the hall!.</p><p></p><p>Sir Fredrick"HALT! Toobob, what the hell?"</p><p></p><p>Bob playing Toobob-I want to roll a persuasion check to try and get him to let me pass. Toobob rolls a 19 and has a +11! Toobob also says"Oh dude is this the hall? I didn't realize,can I just slip on tot he other side? I got a date with this Noble who is hot for this Summer Wine!*Holds up a bottle of Summer Wine*</p><p>Sir Fredrick rolls a 7 insight check and has no bonus. Toobob wins!</p><p></p><p>The DM" Sir Fredrick you realize that your friend isn't supposed to be here but his innocent eyes and mirthful grin get the better of you, this rapscallion is always getting into some mess"</p><p></p><p>Sir Fredrick"Hell no you can't! Leave right away man and you will have to figure out some other way, get out of the Dukes hall, I'm supposed to arrest you already! Get out of here before you get us both in trouble!</p><p></p><p>Bob"Toobob looks alarmed at the mention of arrest and beats feet out of the Hall saying"oh geez man Thanks,sorry didn't know"</p><p></p><p>Only much later that night does Sir Fredrick here of the commotion and uproar over some midnight theft. Once he is off duty he hurries to the Valiant Duck, the local inn to confront his friend.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GameOgre, post: 7532934, member: 57914"] But social skills are not spells or attacks. They do not have the force of such things and don't take away the players agency but help direct that agency. It's called role playing. Your character might be talked into things he wouldn't normally do but yeah that's what happens when dealing with incredibly characteristic people! Why wouldn't you just role play that. It's not like I was saying"you have to act out of alignment or even out of character really. It's not some charm spell, so you might indeed go along with it because that character is so charismatic but you the player get to decide how to do so and in what way its done. Even at what point it simply wouldn't work. But to insist that it holds no sway at all over your character isnt roll playing at all. IMHO.. A example of good role playing and the use of social skills. Fred is role playing Sir Fredrick and a Knight of the Vale. He is assigned to guard the Duke's grand hall and told to arrest anyone who comes in after midnight as none have permission to enter the hall that late. Two hours into the watch Sir Fredrick is startled to see his good friend and fellow party member Toobob (played by Bob another player who plays a thief with high charisma and expertise in persuasion) come into the hall!. Sir Fredrick"HALT! Toobob, what the hell?" Bob playing Toobob-I want to roll a persuasion check to try and get him to let me pass. Toobob rolls a 19 and has a +11! Toobob also says"Oh dude is this the hall? I didn't realize,can I just slip on tot he other side? I got a date with this Noble who is hot for this Summer Wine!*Holds up a bottle of Summer Wine* Sir Fredrick rolls a 7 insight check and has no bonus. Toobob wins! The DM" Sir Fredrick you realize that your friend isn't supposed to be here but his innocent eyes and mirthful grin get the better of you, this rapscallion is always getting into some mess" Sir Fredrick"Hell no you can't! Leave right away man and you will have to figure out some other way, get out of the Dukes hall, I'm supposed to arrest you already! Get out of here before you get us both in trouble! Bob"Toobob looks alarmed at the mention of arrest and beats feet out of the Hall saying"oh geez man Thanks,sorry didn't know" Only much later that night does Sir Fredrick here of the commotion and uproar over some midnight theft. Once he is off duty he hurries to the Valiant Duck, the local inn to confront his friend. [/QUOTE]
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