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<blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 7533459" data-attributes="member: 6795602"><p>Yes, because</p><p>#1 the player <strong>asked the DM</strong> to help him decide whether his PC thought the other PC was lying. </p><p>#2 (In iserith's style of play the pc wouldn't ask the dm if he thought he was lying, the player would say something like my PC is trying to determine if the other PC is lying). </p><p></p><p>I consider #1 to be a shortcut for #2 but I think iserith's playstyle highlights what is happening behind the scenes in either case.</p><p></p><p>So the answer is that no matter how the player phrases it, the PC in question is essentially "trying to determine if the other PC is lying". Properly interpreted the player isn't really asking the DM what his PC actually thinks either, but instead he is asking if there's anything he picks up on that would allow him to determine that the other PC was lying. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't play that way so I can't answer that.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Hopefully the above answers your question</p><p></p><p>(By the way to get iserith to give you the answer to your question you desire you are going to have to drop the "what is my pc thinking line" because he would never even allow that in his game. Instead translate that to iserith playspeak, "my PC tries to determine if the other PC is lying". Ask iserith what he would do here and I bet he would call for a roll as described. It doesn't present quite the catch 22 that you thought it would in that scenario though.)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="FrogReaver, post: 7533459, member: 6795602"] Yes, because #1 the player [B]asked the DM[/B] to help him decide whether his PC thought the other PC was lying. #2 (In iserith's style of play the pc wouldn't ask the dm if he thought he was lying, the player would say something like my PC is trying to determine if the other PC is lying). I consider #1 to be a shortcut for #2 but I think iserith's playstyle highlights what is happening behind the scenes in either case. So the answer is that no matter how the player phrases it, the PC in question is essentially "trying to determine if the other PC is lying". Properly interpreted the player isn't really asking the DM what his PC actually thinks either, but instead he is asking if there's anything he picks up on that would allow him to determine that the other PC was lying. I don't play that way so I can't answer that. Hopefully the above answers your question (By the way to get iserith to give you the answer to your question you desire you are going to have to drop the "what is my pc thinking line" because he would never even allow that in his game. Instead translate that to iserith playspeak, "my PC tries to determine if the other PC is lying". Ask iserith what he would do here and I bet he would call for a roll as described. It doesn't present quite the catch 22 that you thought it would in that scenario though.) [/QUOTE]
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