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<blockquote data-quote="Patryn of Elvenshae" data-source="post: 3721137" data-attributes="member: 23094"><p>That's not quite true.</p><p></p><p>While Conan the Level 20 barbarian <strong>would</strong> have the same +10 bonus to Spellcraft that the Trained and Focused Apprentice does, the apprentice would also have access to the Trained Only uses of Spellcraft.</p><p></p><p>While identifying a spell as its being cast might be an untrained use (Conan does, after all, begin to recognize a spell after he's seen the serpent priests cast it about 30 times), reading magical runes or invoking a spell from a scroll* is still beyond him. Our Apprentice Wizard is also much more likely to take a feat or talent like Spellcasting Prodigy, which lets him reroll any Spellcraft attempt and take the better result.</p><p></p><p>So, while the raw bonus is similar, the Wizard 1 is better at the skill and can use it in more applications.</p><p></p><p>Similarly, the "tweaking" that many people cite as a benefit of the skill points system is still present. It's just been moved into the realm of talents and feats, rather than base skill modifiers.</p><p></p><p>* Note: These are all guesses about what might be trained or untrained uses of a skill which may or may not exist in 4E. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Patryn of Elvenshae, post: 3721137, member: 23094"] That's not quite true. While Conan the Level 20 barbarian [b]would[/b] have the same +10 bonus to Spellcraft that the Trained and Focused Apprentice does, the apprentice would also have access to the Trained Only uses of Spellcraft. While identifying a spell as its being cast might be an untrained use (Conan does, after all, begin to recognize a spell after he's seen the serpent priests cast it about 30 times), reading magical runes or invoking a spell from a scroll* is still beyond him. Our Apprentice Wizard is also much more likely to take a feat or talent like Spellcasting Prodigy, which lets him reroll any Spellcraft attempt and take the better result. So, while the raw bonus is similar, the Wizard 1 is better at the skill and can use it in more applications. Similarly, the "tweaking" that many people cite as a benefit of the skill points system is still present. It's just been moved into the realm of talents and feats, rather than base skill modifiers. * Note: These are all guesses about what might be trained or untrained uses of a skill which may or may not exist in 4E. :D [/QUOTE]
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