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<blockquote data-quote="F4NBOY" data-source="post: 3722114" data-attributes="member: 54553"><p>Making the distiction does not invalidate my point. Let's see:</p><p></p><p><em>Torduk, the grumpy 10th level dwarf fighter(that never ever considered learning <u>Persuasion</u>, since it's not even a class skill for him) is as diplomatic as Gilberto, the 1st level noble paladin that trained all his life in Persuasion (he has the skill trainning in it).</em></p><p></p><p><em>I don't think Dorkis, the 20th level wizard should get 10 free ranks in <u>Persuasion</u>, and be as much or even more intimidating than Destructor, the 10th level Barbarian. And even if Dorkis wanted to be very intimidating he would not be able to, because he can't take Skill Training nor Skill Focus, since <u>Persuasion</u> is not a class skill for him. OTOH, with the present skill system, Dorkis can have 0 ranks in Diplomacy if he wishes (plus any ability mod) or have a +14 modifier (max ranks for cross class skill plus Skill Focus). In a Saga "world", all Wizards of the same level are always equally intimidating, (not considering any Charisma bonus).</em></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If Persuasion comes to be a class skill for Wizards, consider my point using another skill that does not come to be a class skill for Wizards.</p><p></p><p><em>I don't think Dorkis, the 20th level wizard should get 10 free ranks in <u>Climb</u>, and be as much or even more "climbful" than Monkee, the 10th level Rogue. And even if Dorkis wanted to be very "climbful" he would not be able to, because he can't take Skill Training nor Skill Focus, since <u>Climb</u> is not a class skill for him. OTOH, with the present skill system, Dorkis can have 0 ranks in Climb if he wishes (plus any ability mod) or have a +14 modifier (max ranks for cross class skill plus Skill Focus). In a Saga "world", all Wizards of the same level are always equally Climbful, (not considering any Strenght bonus).</em></p><p></p><p>So i really want some changes if they use the Saga skill system in 4E.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="F4NBOY, post: 3722114, member: 54553"] Making the distiction does not invalidate my point. Let's see: [I]Torduk, the grumpy 10th level dwarf fighter(that never ever considered learning [U]Persuasion[/U], since it's not even a class skill for him) is as diplomatic as Gilberto, the 1st level noble paladin that trained all his life in Persuasion (he has the skill trainning in it).[/I] [I]I don't think Dorkis, the 20th level wizard should get 10 free ranks in [U]Persuasion[/U], and be as much or even more intimidating than Destructor, the 10th level Barbarian. And even if Dorkis wanted to be very intimidating he would not be able to, because he can't take Skill Training nor Skill Focus, since [U]Persuasion[/U] is not a class skill for him. OTOH, with the present skill system, Dorkis can have 0 ranks in Diplomacy if he wishes (plus any ability mod) or have a +14 modifier (max ranks for cross class skill plus Skill Focus). In a Saga "world", all Wizards of the same level are always equally intimidating, (not considering any Charisma bonus).[/I] If Persuasion comes to be a class skill for Wizards, consider my point using another skill that does not come to be a class skill for Wizards. [I]I don't think Dorkis, the 20th level wizard should get 10 free ranks in [U]Climb[/U], and be as much or even more "climbful" than Monkee, the 10th level Rogue. And even if Dorkis wanted to be very "climbful" he would not be able to, because he can't take Skill Training nor Skill Focus, since [U]Climb[/U] is not a class skill for him. OTOH, with the present skill system, Dorkis can have 0 ranks in Climb if he wishes (plus any ability mod) or have a +14 modifier (max ranks for cross class skill plus Skill Focus). In a Saga "world", all Wizards of the same level are always equally Climbful, (not considering any Strenght bonus).[/I] So i really want some changes if they use the Saga skill system in 4E. [/QUOTE]
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