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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Green Knight" data-source="post: 3725841" data-attributes="member: 2723">I was thinking of Skill Focus, and not Skill Training, when I read your post. Honest mistake. As for your argument...  For one, "Gilberto, the 1st level noble paladin that trained all his life in diplomacy", probably would have Skill Focus, as he'd be above and beyond even your regular Paladin in Diplomacy, if he's trained all his life in it. Secondly, it'd be completely unnecessary for him to burn a Feat on Skill Training. He'd be able to take three Trained Skills (two base, plus one for being human), which means he can take Perception, Persuasion, and Ride, which is pretty much all he needs. Which would leave him a spare Feat which can be put into Skill Focus.  But even without Skill Focus, once again, you forget to take into account stat bonuses. Torduk would have Persuasion +3. Gilberto would have Persuasion +7. So Gilberto, who's nine levels lower than Torduk, would still be more then twice as good, even without the Skill Focus Feat.</blockquote>