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Message: <blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 3726146" data-attributes="member: 957">Well, now you are running against the arguement that everyone else on a pro SWSE style approach has taken.  But I'd just say that hand-waving past a rule would be a bad sign.I think you are right.  As I said, I hope they come up with a mixed solution that balances simple with detailed.  And I'm also hopeful that whatever the end product is, the concept of class skills and archetypes will be strongly preserved.  Skill points are not mandatory for that.With the abstract concept of HP, I have no problem with this and do not see it as a meaningful contrast.I've always thought that the wizards 1/2 BAB was way to high.  I'd be perfectly happy with a 1/5 or whatever rate in 4E.  To hit spells can simply add a CL based magical bonus on attack roles, or numerous other alternatives.That said, by the time a wizard gets a +3 BAB the opportunity cost of a simple melee attack in combat is so high that in practically never happens in my games.  (Never at all that I can recall).  But I can think of times that weaknesses in physical skills such as climb or swim has played a role in the challenges faced by the party.  So I'm not going to accept that a disconnect that comes up periodically is ok simply because it is comparable to another disconnect that technically exists but virtually never comes up.</blockquote>